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Hi there John.

@halfway it is a strange choice of motor perhaps its a wheelie machine that the builder wants , I prefer this https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/db/57/9adb57abadcc156f8d23b5d8bcadb38e.jpg

@hrc450 Terry here is a place that is breaking a complete 249R at the moment MX and TRIALS SPARES LTD, Burntwood , Staffordshire. WS7 4TB. Tel 07872329743.

You have hit the Jackpot Terry, Lineaway was a FANTIC dealer back in the day he will know everything you need to know about your bike.

That sounds so preposterous that it has to be true , in those years when trials bikes were developed in small sheds .You having to source the inner seal yourself is what sold it to me. So they carried on with that method from 1993 to 1995 and the 249R and on with the Section model also is that correct?

Hi konrad , GasGas was the first trials bike manufacturer to develope and fit a Hydraulic clutch to a trials bike in around 1992/93 they were based on a braking system and therefore used DOT4 and were produced for GasGas by AJP . the FANTIC 249R had a AJP Clutch master cylinder fitted in 1995 long since unavailable. GasGas only started using MINERAL OIL in their clutches in around 2004/5 because the PRO MODEL ENGINE in production starting 2002 had problems with leaking DOT4 into the gear box . MINERAL OIL use in the GasGas clutch starting way after 1995 came from Mountain bike disc brake designs that use MINERAL OIL instead of DOT 4 I do not remember these MINERAL OIL bicycle disc brake system being around in 1995 I could be wrong , If they had disc brakes then they probably would have been mechanical cam operated. Has any member on here got the necessary information ?.

At least you can get a new kick start and spring so that is a start. Your bike evolved to the next version which was called the FANTIC SECTION most parts for that will probably be more or less the same ? moto matrix has a VERTEX piston for a SECTION that should fit your bike and BRIXIA MOTO in ITALY have a brand new MIDBOX exhaust to fit a SECTION and a Complete engine gasket kit to fit a SECTION / K ROO these are all on ebay.co.uk searched under FANTIC SECTION Trials and Motocross bike parts. As you can see I have not a lot to do at present , I would be looking to search in ITALY , you will probably have more luck. You could try an E MAIL to Donato Miglio at BETA in Italy he was a works rider for FANTIC in the Late 80's he may have a contact for you in Italy , who knows If any one does it will be people like him. BRIXIA MOTO may have what you need. Try DHERBEY MOTO IN FRANCE they have a lot of stuff on the shelf and are a Trials specialist in most manufacturers and have been going for a long time.Have a good evening.

https://ajpamerica.com/rebuild-kits-and-parts.html PART NUMBER R346010 CAP type will be the old style long thin rectangular clutch master cylinder from that period , I cannot find a mineral oil repair kit for that as a clutch master cylinder anywhere.

https://www.trialsuk.co.uk/AJP-Clutch-Master-Cylinder-Seal-Kit-1994---1999 FANTIC 249R or FANTIC SECTION not shown probably because those bikes were rare and rocking horse even back then.

Mineral oil in a AJP clutch in 1994/1995 , really! who used mineral oil in a clutch in 1994/95 have you got any actual information you can provide to back that up , I would like to see it. I will be glad to apologise for misleading the OP when you provide the 249r manual or a site page showing that AJP clutch master cylinders and slaves were using mineral fluid in 1994/95..

He needs to take it up with someone because if no one does anything in a couple of years time the Factory will just be a standard bike with FACTORY colours and stickers , everything else will be a separate purchase.

OK if you insist here is a start to your journey https://www.retrotrials.com/fantic-305--245-and-125-maintenance-manual.html The 305 = 249cc 245 = 212 cc 125=124cc FANTIC model bikes are the AIR COOLED forerunner to your water-cooled 249R so can be used in place of the actual 249R manual unless of course you can find one?. This site has other snippets on the 249R and FANTIC history if you fish around its pages This site is an amazing resource for your type of bike. Bill Pye of Frankfield Garage was the man who had all the knowledge on FANTIC Trial bikes but I think he has retired now , you will have to do a search for Fantic related info . Good luck and i hope you enjoy your first ride on the finished bike.

Personally I think it is a bit devious , the Beta Factory should have a Factory spec fork or its not really a Beta Factory is it. I would be calling John Lampkin to voice my displeasure. Just goes to show you have to check everything that you are expecting a product to include is actually there because of course they 'reserve the right to change the specifications without notice at any time'. Spend your money somewhere else next time out. If you are going to buy that part ask for a 50% discount as they only gave you 50% of what you thought you were buying on that side of that fork assembly

The clutch should be hydraulic DOT4 you will not find a workshop manual and owners manuals were very basic These bikes are in the 'Rare and rocking horse' category if you want to go on a very long and probably quite expensive journey then I wish you good luck. Do not expect it to be worth much more than you paid for it after you spent all that time and money fixing it up. My advice would be if you want to research an old bike and spend hours on the internet searching for the parts and information then you just bought the perfect thing , If you want to ride Trials then break it as spares and buy a second hand 2010 on BETA or GASGAS.

TRS got rid of Adam Raga to save money it must be even worse at BETA if they have to quit using an adjuster on a fork. They could of afforded to fit it if they just got rid of the red anodised finish. Quite sad really unless it was a supply issue on the line during assembly , if this was the case then they should have had this as a free to first owners on request item when stock became available.

@Paul1766 The Jotagas is a copy of the GasGas Pro in many ways and therefore like the GasGas Pro the gear lever shift mechanism has a lot of movement before it actually shifts a gear by design so that if it gets knocked accidentally by your foot or by something that is protruding outward along side the gearbox as you ride past such as a thin branch then it has less chance of another gear being selected by accident as it gives a chance of a deflection of the object that touches the gear shifting lever. If all your gears select both up and down the box then you may not actually have a problem.

Jotagas neil last visited the site in January 2019 so you probably will not get a reply from him but the site member section swept explains in detail above the type of fixes for the problem you are experiencing . if you cannot understand what he is explaining then it is probably best to take the bike to a trial motorcycle dealer and have them look at it.

Collecting spares is the way to go , when you see something at a reasonable price just buy it even if you do not need it and shove it in a draw or put it on a shelf its nice when you have parts immediately to hand if something goes wrong , its a shame you did not have the spare cash for that other bike , most people have been there. Hope you find what you are looking for.

@cello As you say this is not a Country that it is easy to find any place to ride , It is best to join a club that has a practice venue for its members use and just use that sort of place as it makes it more or less fuss free when you want to get out on your bike , but if you do not live 15 minutes away it makes it inconvenient if you have other commitments in your spare time. You have to be determined if you want to ride competition bikes here , on the plus side it is a cheap sport compared with other motorcycle sports so not so bad. Hope you can find a club near you that has some facilities.

Bottom left fork on a 23 Factory is supposed to have a small flat blade screw driver slot in the centre of the nut style lower fork leg fixing bolt that adjusts the compression damping , if there is no central adjuster in the centre of that fixing then you must have a cheaper version of the fork fitted to your bike, If you bought it second hand then perhaps a previous owner swapped the original Factory forks for something else. Perhaps it is covered with dirt or silicone sealant ?

@celloHere is a look at Trials suspension https://youtu.be/rbLltLQCcMc?future=shared

Its OK Trials suspension is that soft it is normal. When you are practising at first try putting 3.5 psi in the back and 5 psi in the front when you are in the garage to help you its much easier to static balance on grass or dirt with the normal trials pressures of around 6 front 4 rear. Hope you enjoy it enough to stick with it.

If you are practising static balancing try changing your handle bar position by pushing them forwards in the clamps it makes it easier to balance if you get your chest in line with an imaginary line coming up from the angle of the forks by leaning forward and you will feel the difference there is between being further back , this also helps when you start to hop the back wheel around during static balancing as your weight positioning is onto the bars to push against them as you unload the rear end to lift the rear wheel off the ground.

That is the trouble with old bikes it can be a pain with ones 10 years old never mind your one , if you are serious with your commitment to the FANTIC it would be wise to just find and buy another complete bike then you have all or most of the major hard to find spare parts in stock if and when you need them it is cheaper and easier in the long term.

@cello It does not make it a certainty on your engine size but standard gearing on a 2014 EVO 125cc is 9/43 200cc is 11/42 250cc is 11/41.