old trials fanatic

Obviously in a rush to get it all done before midnight on the 31st December LOL

Their events will be oversubscribed with all the dummy spitters from the rest of the country then

and illustrates the problem with C o C's laying out sections. If no stop doesnt work then it's because people dont know how to lay a section out.

How would you run one if it hadnt?

Probably also goes back to the dumbing down in the education system when Engineering was viewed as a subject to be looked down on, personally think I K Brunel was a GOD ! and i so wanted to BE Jack Hargreaves when i were a lad but as usual i digress, and what really mattered was micky mouse degrees in media studies YUK!!! The future for trials doesnt look bright when you think hard and deep about it does it. Perhaps THIS is the Golden age ? one last gasp then it will be gone? Oh as for the 40k debt dont forget until you are earning more than most of us can hope to you dont start paying it back and considering there are so many doing degrees just because the thought of doing a proper job frightens them 5hitless, my wife runs a hall of residence so i've got a fair insight into this one, then most wont ever pay it back anyway. Oh what ever happened to meccano and model railways/aircraft/boats

Notice Yorkshire Centre are now going No Stop

3 speed of course

Remember these are also the, according to many in another thread on TC, future of trials. If they are the future then we had better make the most of it while we can

What i was getting at was the old adage "if at first you dont suceed try try again." well when i was ski teaching i used to use a modified version of this. "If at first you dont suceed then try try again. But in a different way!" basically if the technique you are using doesnt result in the desired outcome then obviously you should modify the technique. Learn by watching others with special emphasis on the sucessful ones and learn from them. That was what i was refering to. I cant understand why the penny didnt drop and still doesnt for so many of the younger riders. OK if bouncing up and down like a demented pogo stick was actually resulting in the clean then fine but if it isnt then errrr ? Not rocket science is it? As i also said they obviously never bothered to learn the most basic of trials skills the ability to see a line. All this fannying about in a section does is reinforce their inability to aquire this so basic of skills. Now as for encouraging the youf element if they ever show any interest in helping rest assured i and most people in the club would bend over backwards to encourage them but it is even a rarity to see one pick the observer board up to observe the next rider never mind help in organising etc. Just wish they did. When it comes to riding tips and advice my experience is you might as well talk to yourself as they just dont listen as youre just an old fart who knows bugger all. Strange that you keep beating them with your old fart technique though. Your post makes a very valid point though and should anybody of any age offer to help i will be most supportive.

I know exactly what you mean and agree wholehartedly especially the bit about them thinking its someone elses responsability. When, sadly it's every trial nowadays for our club, we have the usual lack of observers and the riders have to observe each other it's noticable that there are a "group" of people who never pick the board up and always leave it to someone else. I always lay out so that there is no advantage for the rider to hop and bop and generally prat about in the section BUT THERE'S ALWAYS SOME YOUNG DIVI THAT DOES and amusingly it nearly always results in a loss of marks when a smooth rider choosing and sticking to a good line cleans it. Problem is because the rules allowed you to fanny about you didnt need to actually choose a line you just made it up as you went along and changed it every meter or so. I suppose they never learnt the skill. In fact a lot seem to lack the skills required to tackle off camber turns, slots, deep mud, greasy climbs etc etc just concentrating on riding over the same damn big rock all the time. Even to the point at one local venue where there is now a 10" at least deep groove worn over a sandstone outcrop because so many people have spent all day just doing that and they say kids today have a short attention span. A lot of people keep saying it on here "get off your backside if you dont like it and practice what you preach. YOU organize a club and event and do it YOUR way!" but do we or will we ever see the youf element ACTUALLY do something apart from communal dummy spitting and temper tantrums. Dont hold your breath. Guess us old fogeys will keep plodding on providing the ungrateful with another days sport and something to moan about until we just think sod em all and give it all up as a bad joke.

hi again Charlie Think the "younger riders out there that just love riding Old Brit Trials Bikes" only do so when someone else is paying the bills. i.e. somebody lovingly rebuilds a pre65 bike then Mr Younger Rider gets to ride it for them. Of course they love riding it cos they get to ride the fruits of sombody elses time and wallet for nowt. I'd love riding somebody elses bike for nowt as would most people. How many of these "younger riders out there that just love riding Old Brit Trials Bikes" have put their hands in their pockets and bought / built one? Good luck organizing your event if the respondents to this thread are to be believed youll be swamped with entries.

Great stuff and good luck to them. It goes to prove that probably the way forward for the more original spec "pre65" stuff is to have events specifically organised for them. The idea being more or a parade or pagent as i had said before numerous times along the lines, in concept if not execution, of the Goodwood festival. As soon as you introduce an element of competition then modifications will be made to make the machine more competitive and that ends with the current situation so dont have one. I must say most of the people who seem to want this kind of pagent appear to be the ones that watch from the sidelines, which is most definately NOT what trials is about, not the people who ride week in week out. Whatever if there is such a groundswell of people who want this kind of event then it will obviously be a resounding success and well oversubscribed so good luck, obviously they wont need it, to whoever organises an event or series. They will make a packet

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with you totally on that Woody my thoughts exactly. Our club has now, for the first time, got a set of rules for both British Bikes and Twinshocks on our website. They might not be perfect but are up for discussion and if sensible suggestions are made i am prepared to modify them but at least they are a start and any rider can hopefully then have a guide to building a bike to suit. I have deliberately allowed for bikes built as you suggest using components that may not be period but at least look period, Ossa forks and yokes etc, to enable someone to build a British Bike at a reasonable cost and have fun on it. Did, to come back to the original premise of the post, have a guy turn up a while back on a beautiful C15 which was totally "illegal" c/w alloy tube frame sweeping around the engine like a race bike. Stunning engineering. When i asked why he simply said because i can and enjoy doing so but and heres the rub he was happy to ride just as a guest no points and he still didnt finish in the top 3. Remember it's not just about how trick your bike is but how you can ride. A good rider will always beat a crap one no matter what the bike they are riding. To be honest you dont need a fully tricked up bike to do well at one of our events as you well know.

Assume you mean me Pat and yes my bike does. It has also passed scrutineering at the scottish pre65 plus it has alloy mudguards, not that that is in the regs, unlike most fitted with plastic. Does the bike YOU ride week in week out Pat conform to the technical regulations of each event you enter it in? Dont get the relivance of the question and object to your inferance that i may be a cheat. What is a cheat? Thats a heavy insinuation to level at any competitor unless you have corroberating evedence to support any such accusation. Please clarify

One other "problem" would be trying to get a universal set of "rules" drawn up and adopted. Everybody thinks their clubs rules are the ones that everybody else should follow so nobody would agree and we are back to square 1. As for eagle eyed members highlighting directly to riders... and then ? OK for Yorks Classic as you have a clearly defined published rule book. If you ride you obviously agree with them if not you dont bother riding. You get very good entries already so not a problem for the club however we struggle for entries and cant afford to stick two fingers up to any potential entries. Also your club is apart from the VMCC the only club i know of that is affiliated to both the ACU and the AMCA and as such doesnt require a competition license to compete which must help a LOT with high entry numbers. Large entries mean you can be more picky about who rides what at your trials. Think the horse has already bolted plus the premise doesnt really float my personal boat so i personally dont feel very enthusiastic about all this originality stuff. Too much of that rubbish at Classic bike shows. I suppose too that i actually enjoy the re engineering aspect of getting something that was pretty awful in the first place to become actually competitive and fun to ride. Be interresting how many riders would actually prefer a pagent of original classic "trials" bike to riding in a competition as we have now? One last thing what is this obsession with fork gaitors at Yorkshire Classic and why when you are so tight about so many things do you let Cubs and just Cubs run a non pre65 dellorto or mikuni carb?

Sounds like he was being totally honest

Loosly i sort of agree with some of the points you make but who is going to scrutineer all the bikes at a club trial and if a bike is found not to comply with whatever rules are "agreed" what do you do? Tell the rider to go home? In a time of falling entries we as a club are DESPERATE for every single paying entry just to survive and cant aford to turn anybody away. Plus who would want the onious job of scrutineering and when would you fit it in timewise before the start of the trial on a Sunday morning? Bit i dont understand about the scottish organisers clamping down on rigids, assuming they do, is why pick on rigids? They still have to ride the same sections that are tailored to suit the developed bikes, wont use the word cheat because i dont believe they are cheating as long as they conform to the letter of the rules. Are they not already at adisadvantage because they dont have any rear suspension anyway? Surely if you want to pick on any group then it should be from the top downwards. Then again if they did that perhaps the bigger names that people come to see, it's the people who come to watch and buy programmes etc that add funds to the organising club, might not ride. Finally an original genuine machine manufactured before 31st December 1964 is such a god awful thing to ride that i would personally sooner ride a twinshock and if it was original or nothing then i would stick to twinshocks. Dont know how many but i am sure quite a few would feel the same. Perhaps thats another reason why you dont see many "original" bikes in competition. Now if what you want is more of a parade of classic machinery then simply organise one. I remember being accosted but one anorak once who took great pains to point out that i had apparently loaded the engine bolts on my bike from the "wrong" side. Told him to bugger off and get a life or better still get a bike and ride it. Those that can ride competitively those that cant polish.

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It was a cold a frozen course that welcomed the riders to Clifton, Nr Ashbourne, Derbyshire last Sunday for the final round of the clubs 2011/2012 Club Championship. Coincidentally the event was also the final event for the club as an ACU affiliated club as Peak Classic will be affiliated to the AMCA from February more details are to be found on the clubs website www.peakclassic.co.uk As the sun slowly crept above the tree line the ground started to thaw but it was not until the final lap that it had much of an effect on the sections. The riders rode 4 laps of 11 sections laid out on the easy side to allow for the weather but they still took marks off almost the entire entry apart from evergreen Tony Shaw and Pete Elvidge both riding in the Clubman Twinshock category who both kept clean sheets. There were still a couple of Club championship wins up for grabs and young Robert Carson secured the win in the Expert Twinshock category with a third place in class and Tony Sprinks made sure he won the Intermediate Twinshock Club Championship by taking a win in the Intermediate Twinshock class. Martyn Stanistreet making a rare appearance at one of our events took the honours in the Expert British Bike class on his James for a loss of just 2 brilliant. The Expert Twinshock class was a battle royal between John Fearn on his Honda and Majesty mounted Mark Hallows. Neither could be separated at the finish so both lost just 4 and took the joint win which was a fitting result. So there are a lot of changes for the club this coming season which will hopefully be a rewarding one for all involved. Our next event will be Round 1 of the 2012/2013 season and will be at Dudwood Farm, Elton, Derbyshire on Sunday 26th February and will be followed by the presentation of the awards for the 2011/2012 season at the Miners Standard pub just up the road. See you there. The club would like to take this opportunity to thank all the observers and riders who have supported us in the past and look forward to your continued support in the future. Expert British Bike 1st Martin Stanistreet James 2 marks 2nd Steven Hay BSA 5 marks 3rd Darren Cooper James 8 marks Expert Twinshock 1st John Fearn Honda 4 marks 1st Mark Hallows Majesty 4 marks 3rd Robert Carson Yamaha 6 marks Expert Air Cooled Mono 1st Mark Weston Gas Gas 5 marks 2nd Andrew Weston Yamaha 23 marks Intermediate British Bikes 1st Geoff Gadsby BSA 12 marks 2nd Michael Atmore Trifield 16 marks 3rd Mark Elvidge Francis Barnett 33 marks Intermediate Twinshock 1st Anthony Sprinks Bultaco 9 marks 2nd Ian Bend Ossa 11 marks 3rd Las Rowland Ossa 17 marks Intermediate Air Cooled Mono 1st Gary Martin Yamaha 7 marks 2nd Michael Dorricott Honda 20 marks Clubman British Bikes 1st Paul Beswick James 3 marks 2nd Colin Fray Dot 7 marks 3rd Dave Harrison BSA 12 marks Clubman Twinshock 1st Tony Shaw Bultaco 0 marks 1st Peter Elvidge Honda 0 marks 3rd Rob Blackburn Honda 3 marks Clubman Air Cooled Mono 1st Graham Lyons Honda 3 marks

Not trying, or wanting, to alienate them, or anybody else for that matter, just that i keep hearing that they are the future as if the rest of the entry, which is by far the majourity, dont matter. Fact is if you eliminated everybody over 25 from trials then the whole thing would cease to exist. Getting youths into the sport, even more important getting them involved in the running of the sport, and keeping them in unlike so many wunderkindt that have come and gone in the past, remember Joanne Coles?, is very important but so many just come and go before they are 20 and what good to the sport is that? They arent the be all and end all that some people seem to think they are. We should be concentrating on attracting more people who 1. have disposable income and arent afraid to spend it. 2. people who have gained skills in their working life that are transferable and would become an asset to the sport giving it a sound future. If they have kids who also want to ride then that is a bonus but the kids arent the best or most useful target audience.