Thanks for all your responses. The pads have about 3mm wear left in them so may need changing. I still think the pistons are a bit seized. All four do not move simultaniously. In fact one doesnt move at all. Spoke to lampkins and they said use wd40 and just spray, push them back, spray, push them back until they free up. One of them feels bloody stiff. Any more advice ? How easy are the pistons to get out, clean properly and then put new seals on them ? I know drum brakes were bad but at least they were easy to maintain !!!!!