yes the red rocket, and cr 250 was the best mx bike for years.

And the 315

On 08/09/2017 at 11:59 AM, faussy said:

Did honda ever make a good 2T? And dont say "yes the 315"

Ha

You'll get shot 

The thing is that if Honda choose to pursue 2t trials bike engines,then they will. They have the backup to do what they want to do.Years ago they developed the CX500 turbo,pretty much because they liked the idea of the challenge of forced induction on a v twin. That was fine on a road bike,but comp stuff is different,luck and personal ability factor just as highly.

I admire Honda for what they have done over the years,they have made bikes for a very broad range of folk,for basic transport to high end specialised stuff.There are plenty of their products I'd be very pleased to have in my care - even though my interest is mainly old British junk. 

On 10/09/2017 at 7:06 PM, jon v8 said:

The thing is that if Honda choose to pursue 2t trials bike engines,then they will. They have the backup to do what they want to do.Years ago they developed the CX500 turbo,pretty much because they liked the idea of the challenge of forced induction on a v twin. That was fine on a road bike,but comp stuff is different,luck and personal ability factor just as highly.

I admire Honda for what they have done over the years,they have made bikes for a very broad range of folk,for basic transport to high end specialised stuff.There are plenty of their products I'd be very pleased to have in my care - even though my interest is mainly old British junk. 

Well done a bit of straight talking/sense!You don't get to be as big as Honda without having some know how, despite what the "experts" might say!

Indeed, and they're not afraid to make mistakes - only Honda could produce a pushrod motor with camchain problems☺

On 08/09/2017 at 11:59 AM, faussy said:

Did honda ever make a good 2T? And dont say "yes the 315"

Well the CRM250 was a very strong 2T, main bearings lubed by gearbox oil if I remember correctly. The final  model made well over 30 HP in enduro mode. 

14 hours ago, section swept said:

Well the CRM250 was a very strong 2T, main bearings lubed by gearbox oil if I remember correctly. The final  model made well over 30 HP in enduro mode. 

Having main bearings oiled by the gearbox oil is as old as the hills, and predates any 2 stroke honda

On 12/09/2017 at 5:36 PM, 2stroke4stroke said:

Indeed, and they're not afraid to make mistakes 

That's true. Just ask Fernando Alonso. 

On 12/09/2017 at 5:36 PM, 2stroke4stroke said:

Indeed, and they're not afraid to make mistakes - only Honda could produce a pushrod motor with camchain problems☺

This mistake (CX 500 engine) is now a sought after classic - truly remarkable

9 hours ago, faussy said:

Having main bearings oiled by the gearbox oil is as old as the hills, and predates any 2 stroke honda

Doesn’t detract from my claim that the CRM  was a strong motor?

I think when honda perfects direct injection then they will bring back 2t motors. Their '4t only' kick is to lesson pollution.

5 hours ago, slicktop said:

I think when honda perfects direct injection then they will bring back 2t motors. Their '4t only' kick is to lesson pollution.

 

Don't count on it.  Honda has always been a 4-stroke company.  Old man Honda HATED 2-strokes, and started phasing out 2-strokes in everything they make decades ago.  I don't think Honda even produces a 2-stroke Lawn and Garden engine anymore, all replaced by the smaller, not as bulky 4-stroke technology they developed in the '90's (the basis for the CRF and 4RT engines).  I believe you will have a better chance of a Yeti delivering a pizza to your house than Honda making another 2-stroke Trials engine.   

Honda is getting pressure from ktm's development of di. Less weight and more power than the 4t. 

This is a 2015 Honda patent DI

15 hours ago, slicktop said:

Honda is getting pressure from ktm's development of di. Less weight and more power than the 4t. 

This is a 2015 Honda patent DI

Yeah, I remember seeing it.  I thought it was pretty cool at the time.  When I asked the guys I knew in Torrance at the time about it, the reply was always something along the lines of  "Yeah, Honda has thousands of patents that are engineering exercises".  Neither put much faith into Honda manufacturing another 2-stroke but said "stranger things have happened".  It was one of them that gave me the Yeti delivering pizza reference that I stole....er, used. 

Looking at Vertigo & Ossa, it seems perfecting low pressure inlet tract injection is something of a challenge, let alone high pressure direct or air assisted injection.