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Unconsciously incompetent? Where are you on the learning curve?

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Where are you in the learning curve?

I liked this idea when I was teaching......When I assessed my students I would ask myself, are they:

1.       Unconsciously incompetent?

2.       Consciously incompetent?

3.       Consciously competent?

4.       Unconsciously competent?

or,

1. I am unaware of what I need to know (or how to do it).

2. I am aware what I need to know, (but struggle to do it)

3. I can do it if I think about it

4. I can do it without thinking

 

I just thought I would share that thought... hope someone enjoys.

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Graham

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I probably shift  between all four stages depending on the actual challenge I'm faced with. I do try to make my practice sessions improvement sessions, rather than just repeating the same mistakes, but if I leave it too long between sessions I have to relearn some stuff.

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1 hour ago, Graham2 said:

Where are you in the learning curve?

I liked this idea when I was teaching......When I assessed my students I would ask myself, are they:

1.       Unconsciously incompetent?

2.       Consciously incompetent?

3.       Consciously competent?

4.       Unconsciously competent?

or,

1. I am unaware of what I need to know (or how to do it).

2. I am aware what I need to know, (but struggle to do it)

3. I can do it if I think about it

4. I can do it without thinking

 

I just thought I would share that thought... hope someone enjoys.

Cheers

Graham

Sorry to burst you bubble, but you sound fantastically smug. Ever counted up how many lives you have ruined ?

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47 minutes ago, b40rt said:

Sorry to burst you bubble, but you sound fantastically smug. Ever counted up how many lives you have ruined ?

Why's that? Those are the standard phases of learning anything and especially applies to physical skills. 

Wrt to trials, it depends what actual technique you're talking about. A rank beginner is level 1 at even standing on the bike and using the controls. As a novice, I'm level 3 with basic corners but level 1 with off camber tight uphill turns... 

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1 hour ago, b40rt said:

Sorry to burst you bubble, but you sound fantastically smug. Ever counted up how many lives you have ruined ?

Why do you say that .as far as I can see he is just asking ,.Nothing smug about it .

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15 hours ago, Graham2 said:

Where are you in the learning curve?

I liked this idea when I was teaching......When I assessed my students I would ask myself, are they:

1.       Unconsciously incompetent?

2.       Consciously incompetent?

3.       Consciously competent?

4.       Unconsciously competent?

or,

1. I am unaware of what I need to know (or how to do it).

2. I am aware what I need to know, (but struggle to do it)

3. I can do it if I think about it

4. I can do it without thinking

 

I just thought I would share that thought... hope someone enjoys.

Cheers

Graham

Sure they weren't just unconscious!

1 No idea what to do.

2 Vague understanding.

3 I think I can do it.

4 Comes naturally.

The main categories missed that an Ofsted Inspector would be looking for are:

Assessment for learning 

Assessment of learning

Think the term would be ‘needs support’😉

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Actually those that do well in trials do so 110% confident that they can do it. It does not matter if it is the correct method, technique or style. A clean is a clean no matter how ugly. It is all mental for the most part as the geometry of the bikes are able to make it over most anything.

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6 hours ago, lineaway said:

Actually those that do well in trials do so 110% confident that they can do it. It does not matter if it is the correct method, technique or style. A clean is a clean no matter how ugly. It is all mental for the most part as the geometry of the bikes are able to make it over most anything.

Well that is just plain incorrect. Lol. Confidence is what allows someone to execute a move well but they surely need to have the technique built into their muscles and mind without having to think about it. 

Doesn't matter what bike you're on or how confident you are, if you try doing a tight muddy turn without the correct body position then you're going to dab or spin out. Never mind something difficult. 

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55 minutes ago, al_orange said:

Doesn't matter what bike you're on or how confident you are, if you try doing a tight muddy turn without the correct body position then you're going to dab or spin out. Never mind something difficult. 

Look at photos from the Seventies and compare them with modern riders.  The "correct" body position for many sections has changed, but the more extreme body lean from back then still seems to work (for me at least).

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In my experience, lots of good riders arrive at stage 4 without being aware of going through 2 and 3. They can clean sections, but couldn't tell you how they do it.

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25 years at number 1 with a fleeting visit at number 4 for around 6 months in my late teens before finding women and booze 🍻

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