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You reckon his daily replies are all cached too? Put down the beer and step away from the keyboard

I think I'm right in saying that the rear caliper moved inside the singing arm on the 04 model. Not sure how many other differences there are, but I think that's one of them. If you have a picture I think we could pick it out. Mine is a 04 Sherco, but made in 2003 (I bought it around October 2003)

I've always used TomTom in the past, but my Ipaq gave up the ghost a while ago. I saw a

Wow - The Canucks get a bit of news, then one of them adds a comment, hoping it's a success, and the Yanks stick their nose in to stop the war Hold the troops Ringo, they don't seem to be ripping themselves to pieces yet. I've not been in the "Across the pond" section for a while, but I wish these Canucks could just take note of how peaceful life can be when people just make an effort to get on Oh God, I've just done the British thing and followed right on in behind the Yanks - Doh!

I get it too - I usually just nip my back brake on. I'm guessing mine could be age - I reckon after nearly 5 years of use mine may be on it's last legs. Be interesting to hear if it's age related or just a common problem.

You'll no doubt get different views, but if you start on an uphill slope in third gear, covering your back brake in case you over do it, you won't be far wrong.

Which one had 6 speed - I thought they were four speed? Did they change after 05, or did my lad just never use the top two? Or am I just mistaken? Even more confused having checked the Beta UK website as it says the Rev 50 is automatic. I think they've made a cut and paste error from the Auto 50. Rev 50 My lad had the Rev 50 from 7 until about 10 year old. It was a great bike, absolutely bullet proof, but moved to the Sherco 80 at 10 year old as he was making it look very small and the small wheels were doing him no favours. He's fairly tall but very skinny and not struggled with the weight of the near full size Sherco 80. Have you looked at the Beta 80 - that's a half way house to the full sized bikes (and six speed)

Not sure if this link is no there, but no harm done repeating it: Dougie in the House

Are you really feeling it physically (arm pump etc) or just not sure what's doing it? I'm suspecting the latter from the way you've described it. You'll be surprised how getting dehydrated can screw you over. Not sure if you're already doing it, but it helps to make an extra effort to shove water, and some energy drink down your neck, and maybe get some pasta in you for breakfast. Not the sort of thing you want to eat on a Sunday morning, but definitely works. I used to swear by it in my rugby days. I use a Camelback to keep the water levels up, and it's amazing how much liquid you get rid of. More than you could ever drink down while passing the car each lap.

It is disappointing. I have to admit, I hadn't planned to go myself, and I do feel a little pang of guilt every year. My reasons for non attendance: 1. I have no axe to grind at the moment, or any strong feelings about rules or anything else on the agenda. I suppose I would have a view on the Novogar as we run one and I tend to ride quite a few of them, but again I've got no problems with them at the moment. 2. Damn busy - I know - everyone can say that, but with a Welsh Championship in a couple of weeks I'm not riding trials, just using the odd days I have off work in the preceding weekends to mark that out. It is a shame and I do feel I have to justify not going. I certainly would if I had a strong point to get over or felt that I could contribute in a way that would justify the journey and time to get there. It does seem that there are some strong views on here sometimes, but nevertheless no effort from those people to attend. Hopefully it'll be used throughout the year to hammer down the whingers - "Your day was 21st June - Where were ya?"

Hey - I've just noticed there's some red writing at the top of these posts Gotta be honest, I think I may have read some of it in the past, but don't think I got to the end of it . How about an abridged version - bullet points that people might actually read: Is your post about: Specific brand of bike? Use the bike specific forum! Where to ride in UK, UK insurance, or anything else UK based? - Use the UK section! Boots, clothing, handlebar height, oil ratios etc - basically anything "general" and not country/bike specific and for ALL riders, regardless of location? - You're in the right place! P.S. Are we in the wrong forum here?

Yep, agree. It would be a complete waste of money to start with a Greeves and develop things from there! Of course you would use many of the latest ideas as a base point. If they're protected, then they'll be hit I'd imagine. If they're not then it does seem to be fair game (ish). I do think they should have mentioned to the wee Chinese men involved that they need to do more than scratch the name badges off :-) but when it comes down to it, no matter what it looks like they'd have to be bloody idiots not to base it heavily on an existing leading machine, and the other manufacturers know that too. The only difference with this one is they've made it blatant, even to Joe public. Xispa have a lot of work convincing the public that the bike delivers anywhere near what the Sherco package currently does. From what I've seen the costs seem to have crept from the initial mention of

I know what you mean, but remember the early 80's when - not only were you allowed to stop, you were actually allowed to roll backwards as long as your feet were on the pegs. The only time you got a 5 for stopping was if your foot was on the floor. I don't remember when these rules came in or went out, but they were alive for a long time while it was all twinshock.

I fit the first category and R2W fits the second category and we're both happy with hopping and bopping

I never really thought of mentioning it before, but we have a sponsor for our club championship. The expert riders compete for the very hefty "Greyhound Cup", and Greyhound Plant Services provide sponsorship which contributes to other awards used by the club. There's just been a discussion regarding sponsorship and in line with that, I thought I'd say a few words to thank Greyhound Plant services for their continued support. Well the way I see it, if any TrialsCentral users have the need for the services of a Plant Services Company, then who better to use than a company who is putting something back in to our sport. I'm sure there are many other clubs who have similar support, and I'd be more than happy to consider their sponsors, and make sure I mentioned that I became aware of their services through TrialsCentral, and therefore via the sponsored club. It can only provide benefit to trials. So, please pay a visit to their site by clicking their logo, have a look what they do, and consider them should you need this kind of thing in the future: Thanks very much, Gaz (Llanfyllin & DMCC)

They do seem to have a slightly different market to the rest of the machines. I've never had one, but I would seriously consider it. I've not been looking around, so I don't know if they've sorted their carb problems out now? I hope so. That was a big mess for me, they also seemed to be tetchy to set up - i.e. cr4p at clearing out before a big hill. I've heard some bikes which should have been well prep'd, sounding like ****, but admittedly not for some time now. Electrics, I'd like to see absolutely sorted, just seems more than average stator and CDI failures, although Lampkin seems to be top notch on supporting these. I don't think we can knock just Sherco and GasGas for weak frames. Honda (or should it be Montesa) seem to have had a fair few problems too. I digress anyway - the market for these bikes is any club rider (including experts) that doesn't think he needs titanium everything to be able to compete. I agree, if the frame aint broke, don't fix it. Even four to five pounds will not affect most riders so that they would notice. Isn't that the difference between a full fuel tank and an empty one? I'd forego that disadvantage to have rear suspension with no play in it, and no big bills every time we replace the umpteen bearings in the linkage. I'm sure someone will let me know which of these they've fixed, but here were my gripes last time I looked: 1. Carb ****ing fuel everywhere (I think fixed) 2. Carb setup seems "iffy" - I want it to clear out straight away (I suspect may be fixed) 3. Stator/CDI - give me a spare one of each with it, or sort it out (Dunno) 4. Stupid little screw which snail cam butts up against - make it more sturdy, even part of the frame maybe (Dunno) 5. Same as the rest, put Montesa style wheels on it, so spokes dont leak (something rings a bell) If all those are fixed I might even be tempted next time. P.S. Before anyone says it - Don't even think for one minute that Scorpa is in the same bracket, they're still a tractor

Elwyn did 90% of marking out, living up there virtually, for a couple of weeks. I modify Inters and Experts and just spend a couple of days up there and there's a few others with similar input. Jean with all the paperwork and hassle, and then obviously the helpers on the day. Just in case I was stealing someone else's credit

We do have to miss out the best parts of the stream in the 2nd loop as there is no way round for whites. Same with the other sections from the Novogar that we miss out - a full loop further over. To be honest that was the main reason we asked for a Novogar (a few years back now) because we wanted a trial that could actually use most of the streams. Even the Inters struggle on the top part of the stream. The Novogar finishes in the big stream, and it's just a long line of sections which starts down near the fence and stays in the stream all the way back up to the path. Changes every year because of water pressure. We normally end up having to build the odd helper at some parts just to be able to get up, but it's great. There's another 2 streams further over, and a big stream we've never used because of potential water levels. Also one which we've thought would be good for a British round, but I'm resisting the work of putting a British on as well

Come on, let us know which section it was. Did we really send the yellow route down a 6 footer You're making me feel almost guilty here

Cheers Atom, and on our website now. Unfortunately no photos from yesterday. Think Jack Parker was staying out of the wild weather. For anybody that hung around for todays fun trial there's some photo's available on our website.

Gimme a chance - just got home And I've got to delete myself from them - had a nightmare. More clothing required next year, was a bit chilly observing. I've never run on the spot for so long Results on here soon - thanks to Kirsty from South Shrops for a killer days work on them (and all of our own girls obviously).

Yep - enjoy! :-D From someone who is unfit, fat and riding this event It's no Scott trial, it's a sociable, fun day out with brilliant scenery and decent sections. Bound to be some queueing, especially at the first sections, but as long as you don't hang about too long at sections, you certainly don't have to fly round. See you there, give me a shout when you pass my section, I'm one of the rider observers, the good looking sporty looking chap :-)

OK - here we go - no bells and whistles, but should provide the info people need. Forest_Trophy_2008c.pdf

Hi all, Latest rider list and start times below. It'll be on our website later, but wanted to get it on here as soon as possible. It's in excel format at the moment - will convert to pdf later. Any questions or queries, give me a buzz on 07879 423330 If I'm on my bike or unavailable, call Jean on 01691 828330 See you all on Sunday - best to get there early if poss - once the bikes start (9.30am), you'll be trying to get in against the flow of traffic. It's a bumper entry so I suspect there will be queues through the first sections. Time is not that tight, so hang in there and it eases off throughout the day. Enjoy the views, the chat, the banter and hopefully the weather. Doh - upload failed in excel format - watch this space - be here soon.