steve fracy

All I remember from this year was Dibs saying they hadn't had time to test the bike at altitude before Andorra........ where he said the bike wasn't at its best

been out for quite a while

Smart signing then huh

I would say!

nice boost bottle too!

ditto!!

Mr. Young>>>>> former TMI secret agent??? is that you?

try going to the website www.thepear.com all the info you need about what bike you will buy next!

From what I have learned Vertigo or TRs would have no problem matching any contract that GG have paid Raga

cheers. makes sense!

where?

Ossa no longer In business>>>>> best to stick to something else.

Wow! I do know why it was started, but I shocked that you don't know. The answer is troubling and perhaps you may or may not feel so good about it. I hope your enthusiasm truly keeps it all going MIchaeal. I am sure as you grow, the model you are using will become something that may have to change. Good luck, and I encourage you to get some answers. You may understand me more.

Have a good ride Biff! Politics is the very last thing I ever wanna deal with..... but sometimes if someone does not step up and question statements especially in this internet world, the truth can be misconstrued. We don't have any really here where I ride and everyone gets along really well.

Hi Biff: I think first off the WTC should publicly announce how and why it was formed, and what its goals are ( I already know). If there is someone who is willing to pay the insurance for individuals, or clubs who cannot afford to buy their own private insurance (this is incredibly reasonable in Canada), then I see a value of that and helping promote the sport. But, only if the $$$ is somehow put back into the sport. Obviously a club would do this. I do think that the way it operates in almost all ways, is very deceitful ( I can elaborate privately if you wish), but mostly I find it incredibly counter productive to announce a National Champion when it is not. How do you think Pat, RYP and every importer would react If YOU started your won sanctioning body and held a National championship down south, and a different US Champ was announced other that Pat Smage?? Personally I say hold your events, help small clubs out where you can and individuals who want to hold trials, and leave it at that. I would also say, DO not discourage any new group of riders who wish to form a new club too! But this has been done, why I don't know. Not necessarily by the WTC, but one of the main entities.

Not really answered much... but I will try to clarify so I don't mis-understand you. So, the MMC ( thought it was MCC) gives $$ to World Enduro Canada, who then gives it to World Trials Canada and they pay for Insurance that will cover anyone in Canada who wants to hold a trial, free of charge? Is this correct? If so. I myself would wonder why its free, and what the end goal is for providing it free? Do you actually know why? I do not think that ANY sanctioning body can have any sustainable long term plan with NO funds, no members, no licences. You believe otherwise? By the entire country of riders belonging to ONE organization, and contributing funds, growing the sport as the grass roots level, and then club level, then Provincially, and finally Nationally, in my eyes can only be the best scenario. You disagree? I think its pretty easy to look at ANY non profit sport in any country, and see that this formula is really the only viable concept. By OUR National Championship, I meant, Canada. There is only one. You need to understand that credibility is very important to any of the riders who are at the top of our sport here. In order to be in a position to promote and attract sponsorship of any kind. All of this is intertwined and we MUST work together. I don't see two British champions, or Spanish champions, etc.... As you say, if I started my own World Championship, you wouldn't have an issue with the winner calling himself the World Champion because you know who the real one is......really??? Wow. I DO know who the best trials riders are in Canada, and anyone who is informed does too....its no secret. So also you are telling me that you don't use the FREE insurance offered by WTC?? Did I read that wrong? Also, I am not sure where you get your figures on what it would cost you and your club ( how many members and what is the membership fee, and entry fee at events?). A rep from the CMA TAC, Derek Thomas will be contacting you soon, and he has recently started a new club in Sask and would be able to give you the true cost of everything.Do you know what the purpose of WTC is and why it was started???

I have been to all provinces in Canada but yours fairly recently. We know who the best riders are....... perhaps I am slow, and not sure in your link where it tells anyone who actually pays for the FREE INSURANCE. The WTC has its own Championship, no argument. It IS NOT our National Championship. Please provide other instances where countrys have a National Championship not recognized by the FIM and promoted as a National Championship?. The manufacturers also work with and recognize these official championships. By your logic, I would hold a World Championship here in Canada, over two days, whatever riders show up, the winner would now be the New World Champion. Yet you wouldn't see any problem with that??

Explain or prove where I have ever questioned a riders ability? I HAVE however tried to explain that the WTC calling any event a National Championship, is false, and also diminishes the hard work of the club who puts on the Nationals each year, and, the hard work of a committee who is dedicated to making the sport grow at all levels across the country. There is blatant mis-representation, but no one ever wants to address that. I never once said every rider and club must belong to the CMA. But, If you or your club ARE interested in helping any rider in your area who wants to one day ride Nationals in Canada, and help make those events prestigious, we have a plan and would like to see you work with us. We also have a plan to help grow the sport at the club level. There is, and has been much more take place on this side of the country than I think you are aware of, in regards to deceitful actions and statements. I am not alone at being aware of it all, but unfortunately at times I am the only one who will speak up. Sorry you take offense to it and obviously don't understand it. You seem to be very defensive about it which I guess is understandable. But, you or any other REP from WTC has not answered the questions I posted on here....other than saying that World Enduro Canada actually pays for the event insurance??? So you are saying that they get $$$ from another organization?? Whos name is actually on the cheque? What are the goals of the WTC and purpose?

We know who the best riders are in Canada and have been attempting to get them all together for the National Championship for sometime now, but its a small sport as you say Michael and as a relative newcomer your enthusiasm is welcomed for sure, but, there are many things that have, and are being mis-represented. So from where I sit, anyone telling me I make myself look silly, and hurt the sport is absurd! Perhaps you should explain to me then and anyone else reading, what constitutes a legitimate sanctioning body in Canada, and who also pays for the so called FREE insurance? I know my club enquired and the mail was NEVER answered. Perhaps you could explain also what the purpose of the WTC is, and what its goals are, and how it IS harmful to trials in Canada that we don't all work together?

Biff: Some great points and sarcasm is always appreciated! :-) . I don't think I ever said HAS to be one sanctioning body.... I said there is! All of the ones you mentioned are legitimate organizations. They have members, membership and sanctioning fees, and elected officials. The WTC has none of these or any other criteria. I don't believe either that I said it should not exist in whatever form they decide. I did say however that calling their events the National Championship is a farce. It is also fact that the FIM only recognizes ONE official sanctioning body, and its National Champion.

I Have absolutely no doubt in my mind that you believe me posting truths and challenging the BS that is contstantly spewed on Canadian websites, is harming the sport. Running a fictiisous organization and calling yourself a National sanctioning body, and listing events as Nationals when they aren't, must be incredibly helpful and helping other clubs and organizers build the sport! I will risk making myself looking silly in your eyes by exposing the truth everytime. I have heard about Tino only as he has never ridden on the coast, but nothing but good things. It would be great to see him ride an actual National and see where he finishes. Spinning the truth, and conducting events anyway YOU see fit without being part of an active club must be rewarding to you. Changes in venues, rules, classes, format, all can be done at a whim with NO accountability. Uhuh, I am harming the sport, and looking silly....

Another reminder to folks outside of Canada....the WTC is NOT a registered society, and is NOT a sanctioning body. Like every other country in the world, we have only one official sanctioning body, which has remained the same for decades, and only ONE National Championship.The WTC calls its events Nationals, which is false. None of the top riders in Canada will be in attendance.

Bang on!! and having a clear plan is important too, but starts with getting as many young kids involved as possible.

I for one believe that once all the debt of the current company is dissolved and GG in its current form no longer exists, a new GG will emerge and continue to be successful. Why? Well I just went for a ride on my new 300 Racing tonight after work. I have ridden and/or been sponsored on every brand of bike since the 80s and I am amazed at how much fun this bike is and how good it works. They all have their strong points for sure, but the GG motor and the suspension are top notch.