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I parked both 4rt and tlr against the garage wall with wheels on and then measured the 4rt and set the tlr to the same - spindle to wall, top of forks to the wall. Cut bottom tubes and bottom of top tube and pulled in. I think I lost about an inch on wheel base so added to end of swingarm. Left shock mounts as they were so I guess increased wheel travel slightly as well. Steering went from moving a tiller to a modern feel and put less strain on my arms and shoulders.

"Last season, Montesa expanded its line up with a new trial model, the Montesa Cota 300RR, an exclusive race-oriented model designed to satisfy the brand’s most demanding fans. This season, the brand will introduce some changes that make the model even more competitive. New 2017 features:" "Furthermore, the throttle body – ECU isn’t actually a sealed system, so the rider will be able to adjust the ignition and injection maps simply by connecting it to a Laptop." From Honda press releases for the 2017 model published last year

Not tried it but believe so looking at literature - 2017 at least

went to observer at an easy trial run by my club today. Got a chance to play on some muddy banks and cambers at the end when sections had cut up the most. On a couple of section around trees cambers and climbs etc the bike riders like the 260 - a little more planted and stable but grips well when riding like a normal 4rt. The softer power at the bottom end helps with the slow stuff. One section which appears to have been one of the hardest had some deep mud and climbs and cambers and was well snotty when I got to it at the end of the trial. The 300 was fine on this going in 2nd and 3rd but also in 4th - previous 4rts have always struggled pulling 4th unless big climbs or very deep fast bogs. The RR can be ridden in 4th almost as easily as you can ride in 3rd. 4th can be ridden of the throttle from low speed and also hang off the back across the cambers having rolled the throttle off - not sure if this is the clutch, the torque of the motor , revised internal gearing but definitely something new for the 4rt tool box. In the mud I still favoured the full power map as I like to get the bike wound up and digging in for grip - some smoother riders may prefer the softer map. With the PTB you can always add any map that suits your style.

got my 2105 4rt 260 with them. RR not on list so cant quote!!

Took the plunge and just got myself a 300rr (Thanks to Thunderroad for giving me support towards this) Having ridden Montesa for just under 20 unbroken years ( ignoring my menage a trois with the Honda tlr 200) the 4rt has been my weapon of choice for nearly 10 years. and the 300rr is my 4th 4rt having had an ex Sandiford 2005, a 2008 tricked bike and a late 2015 std 260 off the late great Munch. These bikes have taken me to a 7th SSDT finish, a couple of Scott attempts, several top 3 clubman finishes in some of S3 events, a welsh O40 championship and recently securing this years ACU Normandale Masters over 50 championship. The above is just just trying to get my background and experience across. I deliberately have stayed away from trying the latest 2 strokes as I find the Honda experience enjoyable but appreciate a fancy lightweight 2 stroke may or not make be a better rider but may also reduce my trials riding enjoyment. (my recent 260 had a S3 pipe and Ohlins shock- it has had a PTB with my own map on it a times) So to the 300rr - I had not tried one before so when I picked it up from dealer yesterday it was my first experience. On initial start up the bike feels and sound soft and deep on tick over - this is a good hint as to what is to come. Today had a good few hours on the bike -mainly steams and rocks and on a venue I know well on previous bikes. Initial feel - not forgetting bike is brand new - and rocks seem twice the size waiting to scratch it the 300rr feels like a nice , new soft version of the 260. However as the bike loosened up a bit and my fear of scratching it came second to the enjoyment of riding the bike my opinion of the bike started to solidify - as a single statement - if you are a 4rt fan its like having your favourite meal cooked by a top chef. Its the same but somehow much better . For some reason the bike feels smaller - When I switched I found the 260 front end much lighter than the 2008. The RR feels very similar but even easier to move about (riders with Showa forks moving to a 300rr may see a bigger deference) The front wheel does not push out as much as previous. I had 2017 footrest hangers on my 260 but the riding position seems better again. The clutch seems superb - not sure if a change or just that its new but this along with the softer, greater grunt at the bottom of the power range makes the bike super stable on turns - especially turning into the rocky - slippery stream today - definitely best 4rt I have ridden in this respect. Travelling up streams the bikes does what it does best - grips and tracks well over rocks - the softer more torgue motor really helps and allows you to ride just off the throttle -something all Monts love. Both front and rear suspension is nice - maybe a little stiff to start with but as the day went on the bike became lighter and more responsive on the suspension but never lost its super stable feel. Trying the bike on some banks and turns again the extra torque allows the throttle to be backed off halfway up a bank and use the grunt to maintain grip - a plus over the 260. Both soft and quicker maps work in this situation. The quicker map I found suited me better and similar to the Sains map but could maybe get you in to trouble if a big handful of throttle grabbed at the wrong time. The softer map caught me out once when coming out of a stream up a bank - I found I didn't have the necessary zip to carry me over a slimy slab at the top of the bank. With the quicker map the bike sailed over. Didn't get chance to try any big climbs but on a reasonable incline the power is smooth, controllable and non stopping. The front wheel could be picked up and carried to your hearts content - all very controllable.. Never felt the bike was dragging me around - something i did find when my 2008 had a 280cc kit on. The front pipe is 30mm dia and looks a little longer - So to the 300rr -definitely all helps with that super steady bottom end. Finished off by practising my stop allowed skills and placing the font end on the stream banks and lifting back in. I had done this exercise on the 260 recently - the 300rr felts so much more stable and balance. Think the bottom end torque, better clutch and lighter front end combined to make this much improved on the RR. The standard shorter rear brake pedal works well with the set back footrests - those on std 4rts will be digging out the Honda pat number . Will advise more as and when I glean anything more from my new mount

still struggling with this one -MSM currently my only option and are quiet expensive. 300rr does not appear on the list - 4ride is on there now Anybody got confirmed quotes for a 300rr from any of the normal insurance companies?

Reverse cylinder air box under head stock tank under seat

Titanium or steel?

I cut mine underneath so original part of top tube remained and the closed up the gap., Some cut the top and open up the gap and then infill with a piece of steel. My welding (old 240 AC stick welder) was ok but my grinding was better

anti judder kit gives you the delay in the clutch -I had this and made clutch vague. Just clean up plates with coarse wet and dry and judder goes for a good period. of time

Vertigo style frame - 4rt engine and suspension Come on you 4rt to 2t guys, make a 2t to 4rt

Despite having been away from gods country (Yorkshire) for a few decades and being an engineer by trade the thought of both spending money (mine or the other half's that she could of spent on food or cleaning stuff etc) and on something I could construct from my special project storage unit (shed) and then to add insult to injury spend 1.5p a month on electricity shocks me to the core =- shame on your brother. (no wonder you live on the posh side of Leeds). As for fancy socks - isn't skin waterproof anyway. As my years away from Yorkshire have been spent in Wales - don't mention wellies. Having now probably offended family, women, the welsh will finish my lunch - now where is that road t' lick gravel off???

I have made a stand from wood and 2 pieces of plastic waste pipe to stand boots upside down. I leave these in utility room near but not on the boiler. I have an old pair for midweek to keep my best boots for competition. My little stand does clip into a radiator if I need to dry some quicker.

Anybody had any updates on this. The couple of searches I have done quickly the all the 250's and 260's appear in all drop downs under Honda -Montesa but the 300RR is missing in action. Any tips appreciated

Youlll need to install software on your lap top and then open up the application . you need the twin map software which I think is called 07rtl if I can remember . dusconect fuel pump , plug in cables etc and you should be able to select and read the lat installed map.

I’m sure they had been arucles on here about sag and pre load etc. The ohlins instructions I had gave this info and required sag to be a % of travel etc. As dabster says both ends to be balanced.

Not quiet local but what help do you need?

no problem -hacksaw work well if too long

I'm sure mine have come with longer bolts in the past - maybe not the Apico one though. Bolts to look for if on internet will be an M6 Allen bolt - not sure of length bot if you measure the length of the standard bolt (not including the head) and add the thickness of the case saver it will give you a length to google. If stuck I can measure one of mine tonight

Interesting to compare line fior like so the beta 4t is the only similar bike. I think they are 70 kg dry?? But struggling to find a spec. A four stroke will always be heavier than a two stroke as it has more whirly bits. Only way to counter this is less metal elsewhere or lighter metal . Less metal tends to lead to weakness , lighter metal is more expensive. so it's all a bit of a trade off!! if a 65kg 4rt was £12k would they sell many ?

As the bumper sticker used to say my other 4rt is a tlr

i have - it didn't.

Maybe also the thread should read "in real world section" Not sure the Montesa is at any disadvantage in the majority of sections ridden by the majority of rider s especially streams and and rocky sections. A good long rocky gulley is bread and butter for the Mont so maybe its a case of deciding what you want to do and choosing accordingly. if you want to get the bike out of the garage every weekend knowing it is going to run exactly the same as it has for every other time you have ridden it and knowing it will stay together for several seasons and make you smile every time you give it a blast across a bit of open ground them might be worth the extra weight and engineering even if it holds you back from being able to do the best flick turn in the car park. Bit like marmite - if it was change to red and tasted of strawberry it would be called jam. .

in 5 years time the Montesa will still weight 76.5 kg and the gas gas 65.2 kg with the bits that have broken and fallen off or 73 KG with the weld to fix the bits that have broken - The wallet of the Gas Gas owner will also be much lighter than the Montesa owner Only joking