old trials fanatic

Thing is if something doesnt change very very soon, talking about the Trials club, there wont be a Club to ride at next year never mind in 10 years time. Possibly Trials Clubs will be the next casualty of the "double dip recession"?

Some yes looking at the results but the British Bikes entries have been slowly declining over the last 3 years. Michael Attmore and Derek Carson being the only two regulars in the Intermediate Class and Peter Carson being the only regular in the Experts all three were riding in the NBBR. Our event was planned and publicised from October 2010 and was even a round of the East Midlands ACU Classic Championship but even that didnt get even one entrant in the Expert and Intermediate classes. I cant comment on other areas but my personal opinion is that by and large the owners of British Bikes arent short of a bob or two so they, unlike the rest of us, can afford to be more selective about where and when they ride their British Bikes which is fair enough. I know a lot of the riders who used to come to our trials now travel much further afield and prefer trials with road work and larger laps. Of course riders will always vote with their feet but i feel that in the future British Bikes will be more evident at the bigger name events and will be seen less and less at trials that try to cater for all classes i.e twinshocks, air cooled monos etc and will gravitate to British Bike only trials. Just my humble opion BTW.

Hi Brian Same down here too. Last trial not one Pre65 in the Expert or Intermediate class and only two on the Clubman route and one of them was me. Looking like Pre65 or Pre70 or whatever you want to call it is dead in the water at the moment. Problem is if you lay a course out with them in mind and none turn up whats the point plus the rest of the already dwindling entries who do make the effort to support the club find it too easy. Hmmm will see what happens the over the rest of the year but it is looking like the owners of British bikes dont want to get their "investments" dirty. Shame cos at this rate coarse setters wont bother setting out a course with them in mind when they cant be bothered to turn up and then it becomes self perpetuating. Again sad to see the demise of the British bike classes. Hope it doesnt come to that but it's looking like it.

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The Glorious few could have been the perfect title for the 19 riders who supported the Peak Classic Trials Club when they held round 8 of their club championship at Dudwood Farm, Elton, Nr Matlock last Sunday 18th September. The Trial also incorporating round 5 of the East Midland Centre ACU Classic Championship. Perhaps the disappointing numbers were because of a dates clash with two other local Classic Clubs who chose to run a road trial and an endure on the same day who knows but the organisers Paul and Donna Beswick are very grateful to the riders who did turn up to support the Club. The forecast rain failed to materialize until after the event which was thankfully mostly dry apart from section 8 which was a run along the rocky stream bed and out over a jumble of rocks and a step over tree roots. What a combination which was only conquered with a clean ride all day by Mark Hallows on his Majesty closely followed by the eventual winner in the Expert Twinshock Category by Stephen Bisby on his Orange Ossa Gripper who also had a great ride on this section for a loss of just the one mark. Marks son Ashley had an excellent ride on his Yamaha to win the Intermediate Twinshock Class for a loss of a lucky for him 13 also taking maximum points in the ACU Classic Championship Clubman category however as that Championship draws to a close it looks like it

Timing ?

You infer in your post that Locktons may not be the insurer next year. Will the replacement be specifying that ALL riders MUST be current ACU registration card holders ?

Just wanted to say thanks guys for all the input. Some stuff i can see some is a bit lost on me but i will say i am considering ALL the responses. So far i think perhaps over 50's on modern bikes is probably a step too far at the moment, dont personnally see why just know the Pre whatever brigade wont accept it, no point in gaining 6 over 50's and loosing 6 British Bikes is there? Please keep the comments coming as they are very thought provoking and welcome.

But Nigel i keep coming back to the point that why do the same insurers, Locktons, not require riders to have a licence at AMCA events but allegedly do at ACU events. I just dont get it? I really dont.

Well put John I'm doing the same tomorrow Just hope we get a few more entries to make it all worthwhile on Sunday.

Just to try and get back to the original posting the thing i object the most to is the bit about ME being liable to a fine of

Hi Charlie If it was me i'd just take it to Alan and let him do it.

look similar to me but i'm no authority. Bet Greeves will know. However the second one has definately had the rear loop chopped off. Then again you probably know that

Sorry for the long title but thats what it is Peak Classic Trials Club are holding Round 8 of their Club Championship this Sunday 18th September at Dudwood Farm, Elton Near Matlock Derbyshire. The Trial also incorporates Round 5 of the East Midlands Centre ACU Classic Bike Championship. There will be a mixture of mainly stream orientated sections using the usual stream plus we have the use of the parcel of land over on the other side of the valley towards Elton where there is another stream and some grassy climbs to tackle. If we get enough observers HINT HINT !!! we will run it as 4 laps of 11 sections if not then we will regrettably have to revert to running the trial in two halves i.e first half in the normal stream sections then a break for a cuppa and followed by the second half over the valley to the other group of sections. Not ideal but sometimes necessary. Anyway a great day out for everybody in the glorious Derbyshire Peak District with entries already confirmed from as far away as S****horpe, Birmingham, Wigan and Yorkshire why not come alonh and join in wether as a rider or an observer you will be welcome. Competitors in the East Midlands Centre ACU Classic Championship will be riding the following routes to score points. Expert ride the Expert route in class. Clubman ride the Intermediate route in class. However we will be easing the severity of the Intermediate route to reflect the fact this. If you want an easy ride just enter the Clubman route as this will be laid out with Clubman in mind as we have been doing all this season so dont be put off because it is an ACU Championship round. If you need any parts either before, during or after the event then the PB Trialsport van will be there as usual for all your requirements. Start time is 11.00am and entries close 15 mins before the start. Classes for British Bikes, Pre 85 Twinshocks ( sorry no converted monos) and Pre95 Air Cooled Monoshocks. There will be three routes as usual for Expert, Intermediate and Clubman in all classes so go on get the bike out of the shed and come along Sorry about this but the Mind police have been at the posting again and appologies to anybody who lives there but Trials Central wont accept that S C U N T H O R P E is not a swear word is it me or is the modern world crazy ? or do we have to blame Chubby Brown ?

I would love some input guys and gals on this one. When you ride at a "Classic" trials clubs event does anybody have a problem with the machines around you? OK not very clear that one i will try to clarify. For a while now we have been running trials for the following Pre70 British Bikes ( in reality British Twinshock but you gotta call it something), Twinshock ( no modified monoshocks) and Pre95 Air Cooled Monos. Now i've noticed that we have been loosing the Pre70 British Bike contingent only slowly but where we averaged 12 entries a couple of years ago we now average 8 and i am concerned obviously. Now at a recent trial albeit organised by another Club in our area, but i have heard similar from riders at our trials, i did get a feedback that some Pre65 Pre70 whatever British Bike riders dont seem to like "other" bikes being in the same event. Has anybody else come across this feeling? Now let me state categorically that we have not altered the sorts of sections we lay out to favour the Twinshocks or Pre95 Air Cooled Monos far from it. So why is this attitude evident amongst albeit a small contingent? Is it just in this area? The main reason for asking is that like most Clubs, though not all Yorkshire Classic who get really good numbers being a prime example, things are tight as they are for all of us and i was thinking of introducing a class for over 50's on modern bikes initially on a non award basis. This was basically because i keep getting enquiries from people who are getting on a bit, i know i shouldnt say that nowadays but i'm getting on a bit too, who dont or cant cope with the maintenance issues that old bikes have and like the reliability of a modern bike but dont like "Modern trials" and just want to have a ride on their bike over something in their words "more sensible like wot we used to ride when i were a lad". At the moment for a multitude of reasons, mostly political ones, i cant let them enter even on a non award basis but also i worry about loosing any more riders if i did. Lets face it the Club needs the money and another 6 or so riders might just make the difference between making a loss or being able to put something in the Club funds for the end of season presentation etc. Then again not much point in gaining 6 riders and loosing 6 is there? So have any of you any pertinent comments? Have you come across the same comments? Have you or your Club, preferably a "Classic" one, introduced similar classes and if so what are your experiences? New season coming up and want to get it right for next year and not take two steps forward three steps back.

Nice to hear youre sorted. Richards a nice bloke dead straight and a pleasure to deal with. Alls well that ends well

If Dave hasnt got it you could always give John Collins a ring he has a wealth of Bultaco parts.

Hmmm interesting one this. Lets just take a step back and think about basics. I've always thought it best to keep any weight as low as poss on a trials bike. As for oil isnt it usually a goal to apply a cooling effect to the oil if possible? Taking both these into consideration then i think i would come down in favor of an alloy oil tank in the conventional position. I'm sure others will put the arguement for under the tank but it does put the weight higher and the fuel tank shrouds the oil tank plus the oil tank is also directly over a hot engine Hmmmm as i said interesting one? Which way are you leaning?

Thanks for that. I've inherited two NOS throttle cables and i was wondering if they would fit my other bikes so thanks for the info appreciate it.

Anybody know which throttle and which carb was std fitment on a 1992 - 1994 240/280 ?

Shame on that organiser. We all struggle for observers and i am always gratefull for all and any help i can get especially from people who pick up the board but the way to get more help is not to try to brow beat people into observing. as Pete_Scorpa3 says "Although it is frustrating for the organisers when people decline to observe and then spend the whole trial walking around watching, it certainly isn't compulsory in any way.... is it?" which i do agree with i am sorry that you had this said to you. Hope it hasnt put you or your kids off?

Whatever it was the current cubs are much more competitive than the old works bike so is it relevant?