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I've heard that those 4 speeds in good condition can fetch up to

Yes, but different ratios. Seeley has the RS200 motor which is purpose built for trials and close ratio gears. TLR200 has a wider span on the gears as more trail orientated.

No, not me. I'm about to put a MK2 MAR on ebay myself actually. Bought it to rebuild to original condition as it is a runner, pretty well unmolested but tatty, but just don't have the time as other matters are now pressing. I've got an entry into the Pre65 Scottish after years of trying so need to free up some time/cash to get the bike ready. 4RT is already on ebay, Ossa to follow and maybe something else. The C15 is going to need some serious attention to get it prepped but I'm so chuffed to finally get a ride it will be worth it I hope. That MAR really was a beaut. I'm doing one like it myself and would like to show it next year along with a Cota 247 and Sherpa from the same era, the 'big 3' of the early 70s, but it will take a miracle... I also fell over at the sight of the 74 Phantom that was on display - absolutely beautiful and contained some bits from the Phantom I sold to him a while back, so it was nice to see they enabled him to finish his own bike to such a stunning finish.

ACU Classic this year - bike must have been fitted with twinshocks as original manufacture and no disc brakes. For club and centre events it's up to organising clubs I guess but no-one seems bothered to specify any rules and anything appears to go - like the t/s TY mono down your way. Can't say I'm too bothered about club/centre events, as long as the National Classic championship sticks to the rules. If anyone turns up on a bike that doesn't conform, let them ride but no points awarded. Back to the show, I didn't think there was as much variety in the bikes on display as last year, but the Ossa MAR more than made up for it. Nicest trial bike there for me, but I am a bit biased...

303 with twin shocks. Nice looking bike, but..... a twinshock?? Not really

I'm confused - what pictures are you looking at as you can't see that sort of detail in the pictures in this thread?

The yellow on the swingarm of that bike looks to be near the yellow of the original Majesties

Aha - a man after my own heart....

Yeah Dabster, that's what I was thinking too but I've never ridden there, I was just going by the scores of riders I know from previous Bonanza trials, they always are very low. It needs to be of the standard of a decent Classic round really, at least. I'm not Bonanza bashing here though, just curious that's all. It doesn't clash with any of the Classic rounds so I'd like to give it a go. Aywaille doesn't clash either so I'm desperate to get out there. I've copied and pasted the dates of the rounds below as the link seems to take you directly to Todotrial home page now..?? EUROCUP CLASSIC TRIAL Date Place Country Classes 15-16/04 Aywaille Belgium Pre-65 and Twinshock 13-14/05 Casalborgone Italy Pre-65 and Twinshock 24/06 British Bike Bonanza Great Britain Pre-65, Twinshock, to sidecar 05-06/08 Ebenau Austria Pre-65, Twinshock, to sidecar 23-24/09 Arnhem Holland Pre-65, Twinshock, to sidecar 30-31/09 Gressenich Germany Pre-65, Twinshock, to sidecar

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I thought at first that they may have mounted the mudguard over the loop but it does appear that the loop has been cut off and extensions welded on to sit the mudguard higher. Now too high in my opinion and doesn't look right

Yup thats the one! They dont make them like that anymore - I wonder how many Gas Gas / Beta / Sherco bikes said gentleman would have gone through in the time he has owned that bike? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That will be Duncan Mitchell then. Rode around with him some of the time in 03 when I was on my TYZ and again a bit last year. He's a right character and was chuffed to bits when he was pictured on Todotrial last year. I remember how soft and smooth the motor sounded. It reminded me of how my '98 Z sounded after I'd had it ported by Nigel Birkett and I asked him if he'd had his done too. Och no he said, that's just half a dozen SSDTs have softened it a little, it's still on the original rings...

Hard to tell from the pictures but looks like a Godden Majesty that someone has converted. There weren't any Majesties that were mono as standard

No R2, wrong company - my mate Colin trades as TY Offroad - John is Trail and Trials (or is it the other way around) The points you mention on the TLR are exactly those I was thinking off that need modifying to bring it up to a par with Fantics etc. for serious competition - clutch is awful (my 4RT one isn't much better, neither was my 98 315 - must be a Honda thing...) Weight I never felt was an issue, the steering I could put up with, cough stall was a nightmare if you ride without the clutch as I like to (and as the clutch is awful it's catch 22...) power delivery off tickover too quick and they wouldn't rev out, power just flattened off. All ok for sections that are none too testing but it's what needs sorting for the serious stuff. Once done they are very good - but it is a fair bit of work. Part of the enjoyment for those that like tinkering. Worth around

Just been nosing around on Todotrial Classic and noticed that there is a 6 round European championship for twinshocks this year. This is good news, not only out of interest as to who will contest it (some 'past masters maybe) but also because the events in Belgium, Germany and Holland are within reasonable travelling distance, being not too far from Calais so it is not beyond the realms of fantasy that some UK riders could take some of them in, particularly as they are all 2 day events. The first round is Aywaille, Belgium, which is already an established event. I've never ridden it but it's supposed to be an excellent trial and I really want to get there this year. Should be even better with its new championship status. England also gets a round which is the Bonanza trial in June although it is a one day event, unlike the others. I've never been there and know nothing about the venue. Anyone ever been there and know what it is like and how you think it will hold up as a venue for a trial of this status. Any rock streams, or all muddy streams and banks? Much scope for some testing sections? As far as I know there are two trials on Bonanza weekend, one closed circuit, one road based and I've know idea which of these it is intended to use. Of the two remaining rounds Italy is a bit of a hike and Austria is way too far. click here for Todotrial article

I think I'd have to agree with ferretflasher on this and say that their popularity and therefore their price has risen because they are 4-strokes, therefore a little different in a sea of 2-strokes. Also, they're a Honda and therefore associated with reliability/build quality. They are a nice looking bike too. Predominantly though, Id say it is the 4-stroke aspect. 2-stroke Hondas don't seem that sought after. The last of the 2-stroke aircooled monos with the twin discs was a cracking bike and will destroy an RTL in terms of performance in sections - but which fetches the higher price. For more serious sections such as the ACU Classic the TLR needs a bit of 'upgrading' in some areas to stay with the latest 2-stroke twinshocks but fully sorted ones are very competitve. Steve - if you fancy a Gollner KT, my mate who trades as TY Offroad will have what I think is Gollner KT for sale on his stall at the classic show this weekend. It is complete as far as I know but needs some TLC, as in it is painted all black, including the frame, but I'm sure it is a Gollner underneath. He also has a Godden framed Majesty project bike too... Sorry - couldn't resist teasing you with that

The swingarm on the Godden framed 250 Majesty is longer than the standard swingarm on the Yam framed Majesty, so chances are it is longer on the 175 too?

Yes, TYZ has alloy frame, see pic

You're asking the same question in 2 posts but yes, the TYZ is just as reliable as the aircooled TY.

TYZ was introduced in 1993, aircooled mono stopped in 1992/3. It's possible to have 1994 registered aircooled mono if it was bought new in that year, having sat around in a dealers unsold from new.

Not a 75, rear frame loop is too long. As someone's already said, a 76 or early 77 at the latest

Or a Whitehawk Mono

Can't help with the original yellow paint code but it was quite a pale shade, bit like the Ossa Gripper shade. If you're not too bothered about the correct shade, paint code RAL1021 (or Number 3, depending on which powder coaters you use) is a richer, deeper yellow, like a Beamish and also is a good match for the yellow mudguards that are available (Gonelli, Stilmoto, Beta Rev 3 front, Pattern Yam rear in yellow) I know the guards were white originally but if you were thinking of doing it all yellow that paint code matches pretty well with those guards in yellow. The original paint shade would be too pale. How are you getting along with the rebuild? Are you going for an original finish on it? Mine is nearly done but not in time for the opening round of the Classic in Cornwall although I'm not too bothered about missing that one. It will be done for Bootle. See you at the show next week I imagine. In response to another question, I think Majesty colour schemes were something along these lines; Yamaha framed bikes - yellow frame, yellow tank/white guards red tank decals Early Godden Framed bikes yellow frame, white tank/white guards yellow tank decals Some Godden Framed bikes chrome or nickel plated frame (don't know which) white tank/white guards yellow tank decals Last of the Godden framed bikes were red frames as Yamaha wanted them to be in what had become Yam corporate colours of red/white, white tank/white guards red tank decals. These also had no rear frame loop over the mudguard This is not absolute and I could be wrong in part.

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it will say tubed or tubeless on the sidewall