johnnyboxer

I agree too

A bitBut I was looking at some 1975 WTC pics from Congresbury Bristol & seeing all the pics from Rappers & recognising them as adult Centre rides when I was a schoolboy trialler, plus a pic of a quartet of riders, from a few years later from another SWest WTC round which included Mart & 3 other ordinary Centre riders all chatting, at a road section - no trucks & WTC circus Somehow we've lost the essence of simplicity with Trials all round For me only the Scott & SSDT capture that rawness of man, machine & terrain with a bit of luck thrown in - with no contrived sections made by diggers - where a Centre Expert can get a clean in a section, just the same as Doug or Dabill, if he's on form that day Sadly we've lost something along the passage of time

So, when was it ? Now?...................or was it 1990's? 1980's? 1970's? Just been looking at some of Rappers pics on FB, from the 1970's and 1980's which prompted me to start this thread and ask the question I reckon it was the 1970's & 1980's for me - the halcyon days when you could enter a World Round, if you were a good Centre rider without a minder, to catch you How about your opinion?

Tiny demand Too many minor bike changes Uneconomic

My thoughts when I read post 1Happened to me at a trial Lost one of the 2 header nuts, but it wasn't loose, just weeping enough to cause the symptoms above Managed to finish the Trial though

Just to make one thing plain.............sadly it's not mine

No sound............but here's a muddy pic from my iphone

I think the 2 dealers I mentioned, have supported British track & off road Motorsport for a good many years & seem to have a good deal of Trials customers who seem happy I think the Honda model now works, I was sceptical at first - but I think it provides stability & adds control to the brand which benefits owners in the long term Gone are the days when anybody sold them & the market would undercut each other, that still happens in other Trials brands What's the point of having Trials dealer network & then still some people buying off the UK importer ? It means that the dealer is undermined & he's the guy who supports all the local clubs/riders with bikes/gear/spares & repairs - which is unfair With the Honda model - people know the price & where to buy & the dealer gets a margin No dealer can stay open without making a profit Profit isn't a dirty word & nor should it be I'm self employed & don't get out of bed - unless I can see a margin & profit out of a job I do for a customer

You're a bit out of touch - 1st reg is £55 + £38 for VED - but then you can cash in the VED element & get back 11/12 ths Importing a stock 4rt would probably save you £500, less the costs of going for it which would be a minimum of £250 So for a couple of hundred quid, is it worth it? I doubt it Might as well support Micky Oates or St Blazey in my book especially if they give you a good deal

Probably not, but they do look great I'd probably keep my 2007 bike, as well though

Yep I seen a 300 RR in action in Yorkshire in The last month

So, how different are the 260's over the older 250's in terms of engine and chassis Worth upgrading?

Spoke to someone with one, a week ago at a Trial.............it sounded awesome and so quiet (mechanically and exhaust) - he said the power was very good and a bit of beast

Try hot starting a Beta 4T

What and saddle your hardworking,low volume and margin, Trials dealer who puts a bit back into the sport by sponsoring a few riders Very noble..............................NOT Why should a Trials dealer carry the can, by the current owner covering up a known bad bike, which the previous owner had abused to hell and back Not good form, is it

You do go on, even at Christmas

In reality, just how much difference is there between the 2? Would a late Rev3 250 2007/8 be pretty good? Is the Evo generation light years ahead?

What about Dabill and Brown??

Try Inch Perfect for an Experience Day, as they are a dealer too and will have a large number of different makes of bikes/sizes to try - even new demos on a fab 100 acre site If you have a day on a bike, in REAL terrain, you'll know what suits best and I reckon you'll end up with a BETA/Sherco/GasGas 250 in the end and NOT a 4RT It'll be money well spent and reduces the chance of you wasting a shedload of money on the WRONG BIKE

Interesting, i'm crap................but still enter I much prefer a Trial to just practising Horses for Courses, I guess

Go to a Trials intro place like Inch Perfect, for a day Pay them to show you what Trials is like Ride a 125 to 300cc bike & I bet you buy a 200 to 250cc bike

Unless you ride a Mont, you'll never know I was at a Trial on Sat, watching I would say 20% of the entry were on Monts ......across all classes The top guys on the Expert route had a lot of big rocks to attempt & the Mont riders did well, but you could see them having to physically use more energy to get the bike over stuff My gut feeling is that the Mont is physically bigger & heavier - so needs more work Also it's unpredictable in the way it grips - sometimes you think yep it'll get up this fine & it doesn't because once that back wheel is spinning on a slope or rock, it's game over as the bike stops going forward On a 2t you can spin the rear, to burn the tyre through to find some grip & the 4RT doesn't respond to the same treatment - it wants linear drive on a constant or increasing amount of throttle

The Repsol is a paint job and different rear shock for 2016 over the stock bike, plus a bit of carbon................is it not?

Mmm, not so sure I see experts having to get more physical on a 4RT, to get them to work, whereas their 2t rivals seem to expend less energy to get up the same obstacles Definitely not the easiest bike to ride

It is that I think most of it is borne out of frustration, when the rear end breaks traction and you can't find or regain any grip especially in snotty mud You either paddle for a 3 or end up with a 5 I think the problem can be if you don't maintain enough momentum and revs, to 'power' the the bike through Very different to a 2t, where you can go through with a whisper of throttle and then put the power down at will, with great ease Plus if you do break traction, it's easier to clutch a 2t and burn your way through to some grip, one thing that a 4RT doesn't do Your results will be worse initially and people dump the bike back for sale