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I know what you mean - I didn't say I quite understand the logic just that I "think" I understand the rules. I think to make sense of it you have to take the two (adult and youth) totally separately. There is a brief period where you are eligible for both, and if you ride youth you get one set of rules, but if you ride adult you ride another set of rules. The parent guardian signing for the child is I'm presuming, not something that the ACU has any control over and is another separate issue. Either insurance dictated, law dictated or both.

Achh there's no point crying over spilt milk. Mind you I wasn't saying that as I drove around for 2 hours looking for a maroon fiesta. Reckon they would have had to sedate me if I caught them Not heard much of meths addicts - loads of drug problems over here I suppose. The way I always try to look at it, which I sometimes think might be a bit sick, but it's well meant - Whatever happens to me, there's someone out there somewhere that got some bad news today and my minor upset is nothing. To be honest, the reason I think of that is it's actually happened a couple of times, I've been a little miserable over a blown up engine or something like that, and I hear about some other poor sods real bad news. It really puts things in perspective. I think you just have to realise that without needing to have the sobering truth forced in your face. Life's good, I just need a cheap mechanic and an enforced laptop upgrade

I'm going to miss it this year, sister getting married. I need a hitman in the Whitby area - any takers? She'll find someone else And sorry Stu, I only read your email yesterday, but needed to find details, then saw this thread.

I'd hazard a guess that the rule you're talking about is in place particularly for riders who are upgraded, so if they are upgraded from C to B class for instance it doesn't give them the right to ride a bigger bike. They still have to adhere to the age group rule. I think the age group rule for the 125's only applies to youth trials so it becomes invalid for an adult trial. I suspect the reason for riders on 125's in the Scott and Scottish is that they are learners??? Dunno though. That could be a load of tosh No doubt John will come back with the decent answer, but thought I'd join in while we wait

They got my phone too - can you send your photos through again. Just the semi naked ones this time, I need the mystery wee man.

Working late tonight, got asked for a quick beer on way home. Broad daylight at 7.30 in not a bad area, all captured on CCTV right outside the pub, some bloke drove around the car park, stopped, had a look at a couple of cars, then smashed my drivers side door lock off. Had a look round the car, popped the boot, then got lucky and nicked my laptop bag. Police not interested as it is vehicle crime, even though it's all on CCTV.

Gary Havelock, ex World Champion speedway rider used to do a bit of trials. I used to knock about with him as a kid and had no idea that he'd become "quite good" in the years after I left home. I was chatting on the coach on the way to Sheffield one year with a speedway guru. I mentioned a lad I used to knock about with 'did a bit of speedway' and the speedway guru enlightened me He used to have a TL125 but he definitely made the right choice staying with the speedway.

Was that a Spanish observer giving Raga a 5 for gardening his home soil? - WOW!

Someone with the same artistic skills as me Scorpa3 but it looks like it shows exactly what happened. The riders have done nothing wrong. I don't really see this as taking the mickey out of the rules. It's the riders job to find these lines - I think it's a fairly simple mistake from the clerk of the course - Martin Lampkin would be gutted if he'd left that hole there. They spend hours looking at where almost every gate needs to go. The Spanish Clerk of the Course will be just as gutted i'd imagine.

Well that's an interesting comment as at the same trial last year that you refer to, Cabestany was giving a 5 (on section 15 I think? and which was very much discussed on here) for going outside 'an imaginary line' Trialscentral Supporter Details Here I think I'm talking about the same one as you, it was one of the rock sections down the bottom near the motocross track I think, but the line that Cabestany crossed was the line between two gates from the junior course. His front wheel in the view of the observer crossed the line between two of the blue gates. I can't be a***d to do another picture but if you can imagine on the previous one that the rider comes a little lower before attacking the second step and goes in between the blue gates (crosses the imaginary line between the blue gates) then that's a 5.

Welcome to the world of trials Kevin. I've never owned a Beta, but have considered it a few times and had a long hard look at them. Pretty solid machine, I'd say one of the easiest to maintain and keep running. When I think of Beta I think "sturdy". The one thing people will always point out is the slightly dodgy stator problem, but I wouldn't let it put you off. Quite a few of them do go, if the posts on here are anything to go by, but once replaced (if it does happen at all) you're unlikely to get hit a 2nd time I suppose. You may never see the problem, I don't know what the percentage of failures is, but it may be blown out of proportion like many of the common ills for any other machine. I tried one when I was looking for a bike last time, and the only reason I didn't buy one at the time was it felt heavier on the front end than most of the others. Not particularly bad, but I was getting arm pump much quicker than I was used to on my Gasser at the time, and on the Sherco's I tried (and eventually bought). If you've come from enduro, you probably won't have to worry about it as much as I did. If I was fit, it wouldn't have been a consideration. The only other thing I've seen which was poor was the way the chain cam was held in place. I've seen three break off - probably because the wheel nut hadn't been locked up quite enough, but it was always calling out for something more solid, like a welded lug on the swinging arm, or even moulded in to the design of the swinging arm - I don't know whether they've done that on later machines, but I'm sure the Beta runners on here will fill you in far better than I can on any potential problems. Sounds like I'm picking at it, but I only have those points to make on the negative side - I would definitely consider a Beta next time I changed just because overall I rate them as one of the most solid of machines. I'll shut up and let some of the Beta experts tell you what they're really like Enjoy yourself anyway mate.

In my view they haven't actually broken the rules in any way (from what I can see in the video). The difference with the FIM rules is the way the gates are used. There is no imaginary line between gates, you're just not allowed to go through anybody elses gates, and you have to stay within the outer boundary (the tape). This can be quite wide if they try to cater for the junior route on the same section. We had a similar situation on our section at Hawkestone 2 years ago. The riders rode up through their gate, to get up one step, then dropped back down and took a run at the second step higher up. As long as they don't go through the gate of another route and don't cross their tracks with both wheels, then they're fine. It's unfortunate that the riders were able to find a 'cheat route' but that's their job, and it's the job of the clerk of the course to make sure that these cheat routes don't exist. Ideally if the top red flag was a foot lower drilled in to the rock, they couldn't have gone round the long way. Have a look at the picture. It looks like it's been drawn by a kid as I'm using a laptop touchpad in paint, but it shows what I mean. The black lines are the tape boundary. The red rider hasn't done anything wrong here.

Glimmer of hope on the horizon. Nothing concrete yet, but enough to put a smile on my face for now. So don't write the Forest Trophy Trial off yet, it is still a possibility. One comment I liked from the latest YOU HAVE USED WORDS OR A PHRASE WHICH ARE NOT PERMITTED ON THIS WEBSITE. PLEASE DELETE YOUR POST/TOPIC. DO NOT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THE FILTERS IN PLACE ON THIS WEBSITE, I think from John Hulme himself was portraying trials as one of the most ecological of motorsports, with a bright future because of that, and you know it's not that hard to justify. Sport has to happen, it always will, trials may be one of the least intrusive motorsports possible as far as nature is concerned. Maybe we could all carry binoculars in case we spot an endangered species on the way round, or just make an effort to stop and hug a tree now and then More news to follow once things are confirmed anyway.

Results below courtesy of Kirsty - South Shropshire, and if I'm not mistaken, Atomants automated results thingymajig Welsh_Trophy_Trial.pdf

Were you riding? I was the good looking chap observing section 20, just before you changed punchcards. Errrrr........don't let the good looking bit confuse you - we got rid of all mirrors in our house 20 years ago

Slow learner BS. I didn't see him on the way there. Apparently he saw me both times Picked the bke up today - veeeerrrrry nice. Still open to advice with the wheels. I'm thinking it might be simpler to leave it with the big disc and just go to the enduro wheels, then see if I can keep it out of harms way.

I would consider the edition if they still made them. The Pro is top notch for performance but I think most would agree at the expense of durability - same for all bikes I suppose, but the Pro goes further than most on the performance front. I ride expert (barely) and I reckon the edition wouldn't make too much difference to my riding from the Pro, although it may make more difference to a lighter rider with more modern techniques - I tend to be fairly straight forward - If the wheels move too far to the side, the chances are I've just come off For me, the 06 Pro became too light at the front end, very flickable, but I need stability - I loved the 05 Pro 300 but after that I've struggled with them. I think you need to try both though.

Never! Careful Grandad - there's not much hair on my head, but I don't wake up with black pillows in the morning

It's only 25 miles each way - I'll manage Still got my car when I need to wimp out. For three years I only had the road bike and it wasn't too nice in the snow and ice. I really want to get something that I can play about with off road as well. I know it's not specifically enduro, but most of what I will do will be tame enduro at best. I'm setting off to look at it before anyone else persuades me it's a bad idea You can all say I told you so later , but in the mean time does anybody have any info on enduro wheels for it and/or experience off road. The first think I'm thinking is it's pretty bulky compared to the pucker enduro's, but almost identical to the 640 LC4 enduro once the wheels are changed. I'm fairly bulky myself, even though this thing does way slightly more than me. I think the rake angle on the forks is 1 degree difference.

My boots will be my trials boots at first, so no problem on the dirt front, they're always trailing through the sh|t

Ooh dear, I said I was under 40, not over 50 I would be absolutely bored stupid after the first 5 minutes. I tried one once - it was a novelty but had no appeal. I've got to commute on this thing as well. I couldn't be a***d wheeling out half a car every morning, then chugging up the A5 I've sort of done my road bike bit, and started to get a bit bored of it. Boredom spelled trouble for me and it seemed like it was only a matter of time until my near misses were a hit. Kids flashing it front of your eyes is worse than your life flashing in front of it. You probably know what I mean. I sold up to restart trials. Anyway, the only Hogs I do come with apple sauce or brown sauce or branston

I know I'm talking to myself here but just tried ebike for a quote. Made me feel very old - with no security on the bike at all (because I don't know what it's got yet) and with 4 years no claims, fully comp with no excess, and two minor motoring offences remaining (by the same miserable copper on the way there and on the way back), still under 40 years old -

Here's a picture of the "ugly thing" as my wife likes to call it. Double entendre's unlimited

After many other ideas about cures for my mid life crisis including a Nissan skyline, Mitsubishi Evo, Subaru Imprezza, Hayabusa, TVR Tuscan and a whole host of other stoooopid ideas, I'm looking at a much cheaper option tomorrow in Bristol - a KTM 640 Supermoto. This has sprung from a long line of standstill roadworks on my way to work and the fact that if I don't get there before 7.30 it takes me half an hour longer, plus the fact that I'd like another road bike, especially if it's one i can dabble off road with. It should have been a KTM 525 EXC, but I deliberated for one night too long and it got swiped from under my nose. Now for that I was going to buy supermoto wheels and it seemed fairly simple to run the supermoto on enduro discs or run it on the bigger discs and use a plate to extend the calipers out. But....obviously if I buy this bike, I'll have it the other way round........I need to get hold of some Enduro wheels and manage something with discs and calipers. So, a couple of questions....does anybody have any experience with the 640 or similar, swapping supermoto/enduro wheels and associated problems with discs? If you have had a 640, have you ever used it off road and how much of a handfull was it. I'm not expecting to enter the Tough One on it, but maybe have a go at the odd gentler enduro or hare and hounds????

Only just spotted this thread - you offering updated odds or is it too late? I'll still go with a tenner on Dougie to win - last big year for him?