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there is a 18 second video on facebook from "David McArthur" here (if my coding works) from the front

ACU clubs pay the ACU a small fee around October time, based on the number of members they declare, other than that, each member doesn't "cost" the club anything (unless the club chose to provide it - eg magazine, a club card, etc). Several clubs around here have very cheap, or even free membership (eg to youth) as they "make" enough money from the events they run PS if a club is "registered like a business" it *might* mean they have become a "limited company" to sensible limit the liability in the even of a ruinous legal claim. theoretically it is very risky running a club as an "unincorporated association". Many clubs have become "limited companies" to surmount this (there are other more costly avenue like charitable status). The key is is the company "not for profit" or *not* paying dividends to shareholders. Obvisouly if someone thinks they can run a business (ie for profit) running a trials club then bloody good luck to them!

its been some time since i looked but tubeless tyres are effectively not designed to run at the mega low pressures we run them at

let me reassure everyone that in this worst case scenario the ACU (assuming its an ACU event) would supply the club/its offcials with legal representation (eg a barrister) so clubs/offiails can be legally covered. I would also say/note that if one looks at the insurance section of the handbook, there is also a medical malpractice cover (in addition to the earlier notes about first aid being outside of the realm of suing)

try http://www.cnwtrials.org.uk/wordpress1/ and http://www.midlandcentreacu.org.uk/

the posts above list some good local dates list putting an ACU hat for a second - the idea is nice to try and have a national dates list, i belive it is populated from the permits database - ie when a club asks for an event to take place it is recorded for insurance purposes - the extrapolation to a dates list is a stretch because there is no human input, but its better than checking a million website or having to phone around. Andy has a calendar (see http://www.trialscentral.com/events-calendar) and so does TMX, but both depend on users inputting dates - i'm (as an organiser) as guilty as many others as i don't put our dates on either

MX related but this always used to be a cracker;

as the first reply says every different area of the country, even different clubs within each area, have their own ideas about what is "right" i think we all (worldwide?) try to go from one pair of gates to the next pair of gates, but quiet how these gates are identified certainly varies. so clubs have 4 (we do), 5, or even 6 different routes through a section so the see of colour that you see can be very confusing. yes do try asking the observer, but they might be confused too or harassed. as a back up find someone else who is riding the same route (colour) as you and watch them or even walk the section with them. PS obviously what we do in the south east is right, with pairs or yellow, red, blue, white, white with black cross - the rest of you are just wrong! PPS i think the inward facing arrows as used by the Scottish might actually be a better idea

firstly ascertain that the print vinyl is one for "low energy" surfaces eg https://shop.spandex.com/medias/Data-Sheet-IP2532-Vinyl-SuperGrip.pdf?context=bWFzdGVyfGRhdGFzaGVldHMtdWstaW1hZ2VwZXJmZWN0fDc3NDUwfGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uL3BkZnxkb2N1bWVudHMvZGF0YXNoZWV0cy91ay9pbWFnZXBlcmZlY3QvaDFhL2gyYi84ODA2NjEyNzYyNjU0LnBkZnw2NDZjNzE3YWQ0YWRkN2FlODA4NTViZmU4M2Y5NDdiZDJhMTYyMTQ0ODNkNWZjMjM4ODc2NDY1YzVjM2UxOTM5 or http://www.allprint.co.uk/enduro-MX-vinyl-for-pro-dirt-bike-graphics-TheThickStuff.htm lots of other vinyls suppliers make similar products. the second and perhaps more critical step would be for the thickness of the laminate used. most normal graphics for everyday use are 100 microns while for "mx quality and thickness" there are specials that are around 300 microns. there are about half a dozen guys in the UK doing mx graphics with the proper stuff as a business, its all buy-able for anyone with a printer to do but economies of scale for a one off make it prohibitively expensive. eg Danger UK, spiral gfx, etc (there are more out there) thirdly (maybe firstly) the graphic designer need a template for that years plastics so what they draw up actually fits. disclaimer - i work for a sign supplies company but we don't make and i don't supply any of the guys that do this sort of work (ie i might be slightly wrong and/or i've no financial gain from this)

as someone who organises a lot of MX and enduro, the sliding scale of relatively safer trials is compared to these others is truly staggering they way i would pose the question, is what sort of injury stats are we getting? knowing various high up in the ACU, i'm not ware of any statical trend in trials in a particular area that would cause one to ask for a solution i mentioned lanyards on the other thread as its something that is happening slowly (all youth, several British championship classes and now almost all sidecars), but i can't say organisers that we are experiencing problems that would cause one to say lanyards are the solution similarly full face helmets, gloves, solid discs, designated first aiders etc would imply that there is a problem that needs solving now as organisers and/or sanctioning bodies/federations we can improve best practice, offer better officials training, first aid training, risk assessment skills, etc to help, maybe technical official training for trials and enduro to improve technical control to ensure these bike specific measures are being enforced. but show us where the problem is then lets come up with a solution, rather than have a solution looking for a problem

without getting to down and morbid, it is the safest motorcycle sport when compared to enduro, mx, grass track, circuit racing and finally "real" racing. You just have to look at the TT deaths every year (not to pick on the TT, look at various Irish Road races and Manx GP, Southern 100, etc) to realise we are very different levels of risk. But by all means lets not be complacent - we've various steps in place (helmets, medicals, risk assessments, bike safety features) to reduce accidents. Reading between the lines one would infer that lanyards will become compulsory in the future (as an example of safety features still coming in)

weight over the front ??? ("f*** the handlebars" is what im normal told to do) others things like what gear, what tyre, what soil, etc

re the above MOD land fee and pre entries why would you hire MOD land, *** without *** pre-entries - because of the MOD charging system you have to pay them the £1.1k even if a handfull turn up ...

off topic - but doesn't "MC" stand for motor club (ie cars and bikes), while "MCC" is motorcycle club. you get others with "MC & LCC" (motorcycle and light car club). i think the law abiding thing is something to do with north america - but i could be wrong

i beg to differ, i'm under the impression that many operate differently to this - ie no observers. Obviously several clubs have practice areas which operate in a similar fashion. Check with your federation (ie AMCA) what is OK (i've been to and ridden AMCA club trials run under this method) as to evening trials - we tried for a long time doing 4 in a row (at the same venue) around the longest nights - ie 1 each Wednesday for 4 weeks - we found that the novelty wore off and the numbers dropped. we now just run two, spaced out by about a month. We put a BBQ on and get a wide range of people - from youths coming straight from school all the way to workers (like me) getting there at 7pm and riding till dusk (then take the markers down!). Really depends upon your riders in your neck of the woods - good luck!

He did look like he was having fun on it I've thrown up the photos i took on a public facebook page - many aren't too good (don't do a lot of photography and it was drizzinling) - and i was mainly watching the chairs but caught many of the high numbered solos

to go off at a tangent - ignoring the rest of thread (which is a key issue) and they key question of why rules/regs/conditions/etc couldn't be issued (even with no organisers announced) .... let me ask this - those of us who sit back and observe ACU politics know that once elected the position is a "job for life" (ie until you age out under "over 70" rule) - sitting candidates are almost impossible to dig out without mounting an extensive and long term political lobbying effort requiring vast nationwide contacts to get 13+ votes. Thus it looks like no one is interested but they are just avoiding the confrontation. this analysis might lead one to a variety of conclusion to reform in a variety of (controversial) was the ACU democratic process, the committee's role, etc, etc (another discussion for anther day) keep up the good work!

TSR7 : ... "the same machine must be used though out the event" .... obviously you'ld have to prove it ...

many others might take a different opinion, going for the IRC for the winter, then michelin for the summer (X11 or Xlight) - some use IRC all year round. In the 5+ years my old man ran a major tyre centre selling loads of trials tyres i doubt he ever sold a dunlop (they've been reformulated since). a mate of mine effectively gave me a brand new dunlop off his brand new montesa as he considered it a handicap (i'm going to put it on my 315 sidecar) really depends upon the terrain you have locally - ask/look at what everyone else is using

Watling Tyres in Swanley used to hold stock might be worth trying "Enduro tyres" and "Rushlake Green Tyres"

welcome to our world! it should become more fun / easier once the sun comes out and it dries up some of the mud. plenty of local events with a yellow route to get you going good luck!

when you do wade through the consultation you can see there are various scenarios with different effects. critically the current (pre vnuk) arrangements (where the ACU buys public liability insurance) have now been deemed inadequate. Vnuk means (if the UK gov and/or EU don't take action) we will need motor insurance rather than public liability - now this is in two parts i) hitting joe public (which the current public liability covers) and ii) hitting another rider (this is something that isn't currently covered). Its this second factor that is the killer as no insurance company worldwide offers (or will ever offer) "competitor to competitor" cover. But under vnuk everyone now has the right to claim motor insurance cover from such accidents. the other scenarios might help a bit; i) excluding certain type of vehicles (eg motorsport machines) from scope of vnuk ii) using the phrase "in traffic situations" - apparently this is used elsewhere in europe. we use the phrase "the highway" and since 1988 "the public place" its a real tough one, and its hard to tell how our legislators will respond, the EU commission will respond and how the other 27 EU members intend to respond

as i understand it (could be wrong) in the UK, we currently require third party motor insurance (plus tax, MOT, driving licence) for road work. if the event is not on the road then you don't. the various federations (eg ACU, AMCA, etc) buy "public liability" insurance (among other polices) to cover the eventually of say a rider hitting a member of the public. as i understand it, the "vnuk" judgement transfer that liability from public liability to motor insurance (which we are already buying) - but critically it adds the need to have "competitor to competitor" cover - something no insurance company offers worldwide (as best as we know). also the "new" insurance would have to be a validated motor insurance policy with limitless cover (rather than the limited public liability we know have). other problems arising from this is that all "vehicles" (ride on lawn mowers, every motorcycle ever, mobility scooters, etc, etc) will have to be insured, somehow identified, somehow checked they have insurance, etc. the final key problem is that if you have a claim against an unknown or uninsured driver, then the motor insurance slush fund pays out - suddenly everyone can claim some oik on a minibike run them over - if you follow this though (with our no win no fee culture) then there will be a run on the slush fund - which is compulsory filled by all legit motor insurance payers (you and me) thus to comply with the vnuk judgement a) we'ld all have to buy an insurance product that doesn't exist (and probably never will) were probable end up with number plates / licences /etc c) we are going to bankrupt normal motor insurance *or* raise everyone across the EU polices through the roof as to the politics - if you read the consultation the best we can hope for is the EU commission re-does the motor insurance directive to somehow exempt motorsport - worst case scenario is that we have comply with vnuk as is

you shouldn't need to be logged in / have a facebook account to see those galleries we'll try the emails again Jamie

Deryk the email address you gave keeps bouncing, can you check / have another ? John and Mick from Sidcup has a gallery here Mark from Sidcup has a gallery https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10154739109349659.1073741836.699119658&type=3(facebook) Lee Brett (spectator) has a gallery https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1440700152611262.1073742002.159786007369356&type=3(facebook) results are here (overall) and here (section breakdown) edit - bad code