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from my 'collection' of pre 65 'snaps' ive quickly browsed these two of the same bike at this years pre65 Scottish hope they are of some help

What a fantastic day out! 112 entered for 60 sections for just 12 quid! it just shows that with the right pice of land and sensible sections there are still literally 100's of riders willing to travel for a pre 65 trial although yes there were 'trick' bikes (they rode in a specials class) by far the vast majority were 'bread and butter ' bikes and the biggest class (again) was the clubmen who ride an easier route and only did 45 sections. the piece of land ( estate!) is enourmous with enough potential sections for a dozen trials, at the head of a far flung valley on the Pennines ( the Bronte brother worked nearby) the clerks of course laid out 15 natural sections ( 9 in streams, 3 in woods, one on the moors and only one over rocks the odd one out was inside a derelict barn..) I've been to a few trials here and this was definately the best yet, although not easy every section was cleanable at least once and only one had many fives. results are available already and its not even tea time .. click here

i now know more about forks and springs than a springy thing.. the fork 'clunked' when 'topping out' out because the rebound spring was too stiff ( almost a valve spring) so that it provided virtually zero movement/ resistance to the main spring after measuring it all up i've ordered so softer and longer springs to experiment with in the hope that they will compress and slow the fork when it tops out , luckly i kept one fork leg as standard because changing the rebound spring to a softer one albe it slightly longer actually shortened the fork leg, once resolved fully i'll release all details to the waiting world..

01282 428383 SANDIFORDS if its available they have it and their quick.. what you doing playing with your bike at 4am!!!

whats wrong with the price.. how much would a reliable twin shock cost that all you had to do was jump on and ride each week, add to that originality add to that 4 stroke add to that all the time saved 'fettling' a p65 bike never mind the money 5k might seem a lot but when i review my total spend on my cub in the last 12 months and add the time i've spent finding bits, trials i've missed whilst the bikes having work done then it becomes a close run thing in the end you pays your money you make a choice tatty 70's /80's two stroke for 450 quid holds its value nothing to lust after pre 65 cub 1500 quid minimum plus 1500 to make it remotely competitive but holds its value 4 stroke twin shock honda 3k/ 5k authentic ready to roll and rising in value 2 or 4 stroke new bike 3.5k/ 4.5k, loses 25% of its value for each of the first 3 years

yorkshire classic's Captains Trial near Halifax, lots of streams woods and no rocks 4 mile lap and 15 sections a lap all off road in Bronte country coincidentally next weekend as well!! the best 12 quid a Yorkshire man can spend

had the things apart today , really easy job considering. the allen screw in the base of the slider holds the damper rod. with the main spring out a piece of plastic tube down the slider held the damper rod while i loosened the allen screw the circlip at the base of the stantion came off easy and let the damper rod slide out easily the damper rod has a plastic 'piston' at the top and this is restricted on 'topping out ' by a spring similaer in apperance to and as strong as a 'valve spring' and seemed way too hard almost solid, as you'd expect from an engine valve spring, so i have changed it for a spring from a mountain bike fork and added an extra 20mil of oil i'll test them on thursday hopefully..

ive checked this am and i normally use bpr4hs i do have bp6hs which i use when i run out i bought the lot from an auto jumble cheap i 'believe it runs a 'little better with the 4

ngk bpr4 you can run with a six but the 4 seems that smidge better

if i remember from acouple of earlier threads it sounds like a key on the crank has sheared and the timing has slipped.. good luck..

i've a pair of conventional forks on my montesa twin shock that are fantastic smooth and smooth as can be , they hold the bike straight over the roughest of rock piles the only downside is.. when they extend fully ( eg front goes light or heaven forbid the wheel leaves the ground) they give a clear 'clunk' as they reach full extension they seem to be ok when i took them apart and both legs do the same thing they have 10wt oil in at the minute whats wrong and how do i cure it..

looks like a fantastic spot for a trial of most interest though weas the picture of Jean Michel Bayle is that the same guy who rode supercross in the early nineties and has a dealership in Manosque southen France now..

if youur buying the carb new they will set it up for you if you ask..

excellent idea to get people involved , if the mountain wont move..... move closer to the mountain, any dialogue has to be better than no dialogue, i cant belive that any club secretary/ interested party would not have access to the internet surely if the forum was opened for 28 days and had a number of points for discussion under seperate headings and people used their licence numbers for identification and validation of interest the ACU could come away with a number of ideas/propasals that they could take away and even have interested parties vote on accepting one principle over another. COMMUNICATION IS THE KEY, LET THE ACU SHOW THAT IT CAN EMBRACE THE NEW OPPORTUNITES AND THAT WE DONT ALL HAVE TO GIVE UP A SATURDAY MORNING TO MEET IN A HOTEL FOYER TO DECIDE /DISCUSS SOMETHING.

some fair points well put, even in the heat of the moment... . i guess we should all take a look in the mirror before we pick on the easy targets..

keep the trials simple and straightforward on natural sections no big rocks or drop offs suitable for BIG old bikes and fiddled littles ones.. Cragg Vale, Yorkshire Classic Club Sunday 10.30, only 5 miles from junction 21 M62, Reet at top o Pennines ( you can even see (sshh) Lancashire)

yea no insurance no v5, instead of ringing up CN get down to the local broker on the street corner might give you a note for 28 days on the frame no. if not beg plead that you get the reg number later that day before they have to post the paperwork my broker did just that left the paperwork out of the envelope till i turned up with the reg number later that day..

entirely laudable that the rules should be followed in p65 trials.. however i think that its a bit like bolting the door after the horse has bolted, got all the way to the channel done a european tour ( via france italy and spending a fair time in spain before it took a layover in Japan )than fed up it returned home with the addition of a few 'new parts' and the use of present day materials and tools to remanufacture 'worn out' bits and bobs where suitable organ donors were in short supply and then was entered in next weeks race at Ascot the rules for p65 have been argued and discussed several times and while they remain as vague as at present with jap carbs not allowed but brand new forks turned down to fit in cub sliders are ok etc etc we get what we deserve... rising costs tougher sections and falling entries competition is what it is and whilst a riders skill and experience count for a massive part in 2006 we must accept that the best riders with machining skills and those with fat wallets will compete to make their bikes as competitive as possible ( the rise in the number of cubs in recent years at the cost of declining pre unit and even two strokes been a perfect example) we dont all ride to win if we did less than half a dozen every weekend would go home happy, the VAST majority of us ride to participate and to fettle during the week to make our bike more 'rideable'. So that we spend our sunday mornings riding sections not struggling to ride the bike in the first place so if i have electronic ignition a jap carb and trick forks with billet alloy parts and a cut and shut frame with the head angle steeper than intended as a result of cutting the down tube and riding at the garage wall so be it at least i'll be out riding making my hobby a viable sport for those that care to or are good enough to win yes it might not be authentic pre 65 trials as it was pre 1965 but it's still a trial and no matter what most of us ride the best rider will still win.. after all does n't Mr lampkin ride the most technologically developed trials motorcycle ever on which NO expense has been spared and yet how often is he winning..

new zealand i dont believe it for a minute. looks more like silsden and yorks classic club, ( but then they'ed never have that B*****o,) nice post hope you had a great day out..

I rode at yorkshire classic with norman for the last 10 or so years, he was the best part of 40 years older than me and although we rode virtually every weekend i guess i could count on one hand the number of times i beat him, At the scottish this year I came across him observing on the top sub of a tricky section on the thursday morning. we sat together as every rider passed up the section, I was impressed how he knew and in turn was known by and talked to virtually every rider as they walked and rode the hill, Martin Lampkin one of many who stopped to talk. perhaps the highlight was when one of the many who looked at the hill and asked for a five, a foreign rider tired and eager to make the end of the day was persuaded by norman 'to have a go' , the guy cleaned it easy after a few chosen words from norman. it was hard to say who got the most out of that clean, the tired rider who cleaned what he thought was as section too far or the smiling yorkshire man in his faded 'colin appleyard' sweatshirt.

p65 2006 definately one small honda ( nice bike but not a step through) ssdt definately not as a step through would not meet the technical regs for dimensions for one..

the landowner at what was 'the herders inn' was 'put off' by our friends from DEFRA and now only allows the land to be used for two trials a year, if you ride every weekend at Back Cowm, yes it can add up to a few quid but there is over 100 acres to ride on, and a tenner aint much when you put a least a grand down on a half decent bike and put 20 quid in the van/car to get there and five in the bike to ride And yes the neighbours of 'addingham moorside' ( which is much nearer Silsden and from which you can't and wouldn't want to see Addingham) chose to live there because its on a very small road to no-where, with outstanding views of Gods own country and its very quiet, so i cant expect that they'd be too happy with trials every couple of months and then the odd van and trailer load of bikes going up and down the lane for lads and lasses practicing i suspect the only answer is stop practising and start entering, i did when the 'Flappit' started been filled with sand 5 years ago and my riding got better and it cost me less and now my lass also gets to see more of me though i'm not sure if thats a benefit..

your spot on with ferry savers i worked with someone who set up the business and they are CHEAP we use them at least twice a year..

front page headlines on tonites 'manchester evening news' earlier posts spot on ,was midweek 'enduro nite' the guys at back cowm have just set up a marked 'cross country ' type enduro course pretty much taped and roped off alll the way round location is ideal for trials practice and club to national trials with quarry workings over approx 100 acres some of the quarry faces are 80- 100 feet high and some of the workings could be 80 or so feet deep not a place to ride alone or if you are inexperienced i believe that prices have risen in the last couple of months to cover the work on the 'cross country ' course i believe that trials bikes are now a tenner each and that the midweek enduro nites could be as much as 25 quid a bike

before you do anything take the water pump cover off and check that the engine casing is not rotting, the magnesium casings can rot badly (mine did I lost all the water and BANG get that pump cover off..