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Hi folks Rode my newly acquired 280 yesterday. I think its an 80 or 81 model. Black frame with sumpguard and Marzocchi forks. Can you answer some questions How much oil and what grade for the forks ? Pre mix 50:1 ? What oil for gearbox ? Bike has dellorto carb which I am about to clean , any ideas on std jet sizes and needle for uk ? Cheers

Good point. I thought the 93 and 94 models from Gas Gas were fantastic however when I rode them tben jumped on a friends 270yam the marks lost were about the same although the Gas Gas did feel much better. On other sections result may have been different

Dont start dabster off again on succesd criteria

Thought i might post something slightly more constructive as not for the first time i'm getting rather tired of this discussion in that we never seem to recommend a solution other than to go back to some previous system as we have forgot why that didnt work last time. The objective is to get more entries in the WTC and hopefully more entries in trials in general. Personally i think we could live without the World Championship as its not generating enough sales which i think the sport needs. First of all the previous post by Gizza 5 is absolutely right in that it is too soon to judge and WTC rules dont impact on what we do on a sunday, we dont need to follow the WTC into extinction. Dabster is on the right lines if exaggarating somewhat, Erzberg according to their own website had 1500 entries for the prologue, reduced to 500 for the main event. Its an international event open to all levels of rider so i think its reasonable to compare the SSDT or French 4 day. SSDT actually has 275 places but fewer started this year. Not sure how many the french four day gets but i'd guess max of 200. So on the basis of these events, accepting this is hardly scientific, the enduro market is between 5 and 7 times bigger for international event anybody can ride than trials. I have come round to thinking that the answer isnt a rule change however. Its more about having an enjoyable day out on a bike, all the popular no stop events also happen to be more like the original trials concept, a long lap with some significant distance between the sections. Think about it, if your having a rubbish day in the sections you still can enjoy yourself inbetween the sections, something you cant do in a four lap trial round a field. The Valtellina 3 day in Italy embraces the range of ability in a different way to the UK to make the event viable. This year only 35 competitors rode the trial, but it didint matter as another 100 turned up and just rode round the course. They seemed to have a great time stopping off for lunch and having a coffee whenever they felt like it. The bonus for me was that there were no queues. The bonus for the dealers and manufacturers was all of these people seemed to have very recent machines, plenty of new betas, Gassers etc and they also had all the kit. Most of the riders entering Erzberg must know they wont get past the prologue but it doesnt matter as presumably they still enjoy it. Valtellina achieved the same with their mountain course with no sections. How do we accomodate this kind of rider into UK events ?

Not that simple as was proved countless times. Rider loses balance lets go of clutch and dabs at the same time. Rider says I was moving observer awards 5. All trials observing systems are effective on paper !

Yes that was tried Nigel. Such a system was place I seem to recall. Fantastic in that at world rounds you could have 3 or 4 observers for each section. So between 45 and 60 observers for around 10 riders. Marvellous. In addition each rider needed a travelling mechanic, a minder and someone to pass them a drink. So 6/7 people for one attempt at one section. Brilliant.

As riders got better at balancing they did it for longer. Roll forward to uk round in the early nineties and grimbo took 7 mins to ride one section. This meant even with 7 hour time limits riders where taking a 5's to finish on time.

Trials has to be viable. If Dabsters comments on enduro bike sales are valid why on earth are people making trials bikes ? Why bother sponsoring anybody ? Trials started on adapted road bikes we may end up on adapted enduro models if its not worth making a specific trials bike. So while you all long for the happy days of stop permitted can I ask what should the FIM do if changing the rules isnt the solution to generating more sales.

No Dabster the point is if stop permitted is going to attract young riders why hasn't so far ? We have fewer young riders than ever and that cant be blamed on no stop now can it ?

Thats nothing wait till you price the fan unit

Hi Fella plenty of geordies and mackems on here to keep you right with local trials. forums are good for advice on your bikes so ask away ! welcome !

Right then fellas after talking about it for years next friday I am collecting my first SWM. Looking about where do you get specific swm bits like air filters, points (assuming its points) mudguards, pistons etc ? I dont need these bits now im just trying to plan ahead.

No I wouldnt recommend a 300 gas gas to a beginner or a 300 anything else for that matter. By a 250, it will have more than enough power.

Id like to think he is finished by now lol ! Seriously I saw a pic of him at the finish.

Yes send it to Steve at bradford ignitions fixed mine one time and was still ok six months later when I sold the bike. He has a web site might be either Bradford ignitions or motoplat uk

JR std time but dont know if confirmed yet

They sponsor some trials and enduro riders but not the entire sport of enduro

Have noticed some supported riders going back to AJP on their bikes. What do factory boys use ?

Money is certainly a barrier as the cost of competing is high but there isnt a big enough market to support many full time riders. Just seen another thread about extreme enduro. Where is the cash coming from in that sport ? Are they really selling 3 or 4 times the volume of bikes ? Enviromentally enduro will do much more damage looking at the videos, so you would think land access problems would be worse. Then costs of entry, amount of fuel per event, maintenance being higher. However I know a recent convert to trials just cant believe the price of plastics compared to mx and its the same base material. So can anbody explain how a johnnny walker or alfredo gomez can't get funding for trials but can be a professional enduro rider ? People say that there is nothing wrong with trials but economically there is. Compare the spec of an enduro bike to a trials bike, costs are similar. If you cartwheel your trials bike down a hill you need to remortgage !! So if its not the rules what needs to change to get more participation to bring down the cost of bikes and allow young riders the support to compete ?

Some people won't ever get to your level and you have only had the bike how long ? Well done

When Honda first got involved they did some small production runs of some different cc engines. I was 13 at the time so might not be exactly the same but a foreign rider rode something like this in the 1983 ssdt. John Moffat get the programme out !

People buy what they like riding to a point but if reliability or warranty is poor they may settle for a compromise.

Not in any order SSDT Tre Giorni Valtellina (Italian Alps) Reeth 3 Day Alwinton 2 day ( ok its my clubs trial but it deserves a plug and nobody riding this will be disappointed) Loch Lomond 2 Day The Jack Wood perhaps not as scenic but the best one day trial in the country in my view.

Hi Nick contact Mary Kerr at the often criticised ACU. There is a national agreement between the ACU and the FC Mary will provide the forms for you.

Look at gas gas usa website they have videos showing how to rebuild the motor. Or search you tube. If this is a pro engine the seal goes in the ignition side before the bearing. From memory there is no seal on the clutch side.