January 5, 201412 yr This reminds me of an old joke. How do you make a small fortune out of trials? Start with a large one! Seriously though if they have the money and balls to give it a go, why not try. At the worst they can pull the plug before expensive production of metal parts starts.
January 8, 201412 yr Might it be a plastic frame made using a 3D printer, the RAF are flying Tornado jets using parts made this way so could it be done ?
January 8, 201412 yr How about the following to differentiate the bike from the current models: Use a water powered motor to drive the cooling fan - significant reduction in wiring coils and rectifier No linkage air suspension Fully enclosed final drive chain inside swinging arm - possibly single sided Wet rear brake inside gearbox - directly actuated by pedal mounted on gearbox casing - no hydraulics, no linkages etc.
January 9, 201412 yr Popular Post My personal opinion is that folk seem to get in a tizzy about whether they will make money or not, on this project or that. Not all successful businessmen do all things to make money. Clever ones do things to lose money and pay no tax. Others are simply very passionate and proud about their own personal interests and like to succeed in them and also like to be able to boast about what they have made/do/enjoy etc. Maybe there is money being thrown it this bike as a 'see what I can do project and if it breaks even great.' They are certainly going for the top PR by heading straight for Doug. I personally think the more the merrier, and if new firms come up with new ideas, it makes the rest sit up, take notice and up their own game/development. God bless the UK for knocking everyone, every single day for trying to be different! Lots of us do things because we can, and not because it makes sense!! I do it every bloody day
January 10, 201412 yr Youv'e got a point Marky Boy, Fair play to Vertigo at having a go. To be honest all modern bikes pretty much the same in standard form, It's the buyers perspective that sells bikes. A lot is down to advertising, marketing and who is winning on them. Some People buy 4rt's because they see what Bou can do on one but in reality Bou's bike is a space age exotic 5 million yen bike that only shares the same stickers as a repsol production one. In reality the 4 rt is a good solid heavy clubman bike. Same goes for all the other brands when people are buying new, I rode some of the new ones at the test day this year and they are much the same as the last 2 years, The only bike that had the fueling sorted was the gas gas racing with sherco suprisingly a close second but not perfect. The ossa needed a re map and the jotagas 300 is spoiled by a budget delorto. If Vertigo can match the ride of a gas gas with a light, proper running bike with decent components and a good solid company background as 5 and a half grand is not a gamble for us poor folk then I would be interested.
January 11, 201412 yr Clever ones do things to lose money and pay no tax. Talk me through this will you ...... Edited January 11, 201412 yr by atomant
January 11, 201412 yr I certainly do not pretend to know the ins and outs of tax laws. I do know a few motorsport firms that have 2 similar sounding business's , and they run one at a loss and offset tax against the other? I have no idea how it works.. But the statement still stands....clever big business try to make it look like they have lost money so to avoid paying tax, re recent cases... Anyway, whether folk like it or not, they may not necessary be in it to make money.
January 12, 201412 yr You really think people buy a 4rt because of Toni Bou? No........Only Englishmen...
January 12, 201412 yr I certainly do not pretend to know the ins and outs of tax laws. I do know a few motorsport firms that have 2 similar sounding business's , and they run one at a loss and offset tax against the other? I have no idea how it works.. But the statement still stands....clever big business try to make it look like they have lost money so to avoid paying tax, re recent cases... Anyway, whether folk like it or not, they may not necessary be in it to make money. No one loses money in business on purpose. Whats the point of that? There are many vehicles for manipulating your businesses finances to offset losses against taxes but the idea is to make money not lose it. I agree some people do things in business for other reasons than to make money if they have already made so much they don't care about losing/wasting lots of it. It seems the owner of Vertigo just may be in that very position
January 13, 201412 yr I have a client who runs 2 business that sort of compliment each other, one is run at a loss deliberately, the other one uses its services for next to nothing. The owner told me this himself, all about the tax apparently.
January 13, 201412 yr I have a client who runs 2 business that sort of compliment each other, one is run at a loss deliberately, the other one uses its services for next to nothing. The owner told me this himself, all about the tax apparently. So we have one person who has set up 2 companies to conduct inter-company trading in a way to avoid paying taxes. This is effectively ONE company with the benefits going to ONE individual, so his prime goal is for the combined result to make money. To make MORE money he has used this as a vehicle of tax avoidance to achieve that and in doing so, the rest of us honest tax paying people get hammered to cover the cost of this to the country. Its not smart do to this, its morally corrupt! Anyway, back to the thread..... Edited January 13, 201412 yr by atomant
January 13, 201412 yr That is exactly what I was saying! Same thing, one to make and one to lose. Not many in Big business could claim to be NOT morally corrupt. As you say, vertigo. Bring on the loss leader
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