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save up.... not a nice answer but for all the buggering about thats what i'tll have to be. your life depends on that nipple and more importantly so does your score on a sunday morning..

wheel invented... it is a 4T

nice looking bike and very interesting comparison of chin/sprokets weight. i'd have thought that if you turned up at kinlochleven with it you'd ride the first time but might be 'unlucky' in the draw for future rides. the husky bits although period (easily) dont fall easily into the description of 'british' in the regs..

now having had chance to review the days scores for wednesday a clear pattern emerges of the reason for the scores at loch eilde cottage no.s 1 to 90 were riding at the rear having had thier early days on mon tues. i left the cottage to route march back to kinlochleven after approx. 100 riders had ridden the section and at this stage it was as described above very rideable with no white water. the rain at this point really started to fall and with a head wind we were soon walking into a toerential rain storm. after an hour we were at the opposite end of the loch just as the observers were starting to discuss abandoning the section. the section was truely white water at that time and becoming difficult to see the rock climb at all behind the waterfall if the amount of water in that section at that time was duplicated back at the 'cottage' then when dougie and others ( juan knight, andy cripps, harry L) then they must have faced a similer white water scenario. the scores of riders no. 1 to approx. 90 refects this . riders at the head of the field 100 + all having very low or zero drop marks contrasting with those in the 50/60/70/80 having 5's and threes. that the observers remained at thier posts is to there credit the fishing bothy no doubt making it slightly less of an upleasant experience. praise also to the two lads manning the fuelling point 50 yards away on the brow of the hill with no shelter but the refuelling tent it cant have been pleasant.

having 'challenged' the official reporting of the p65 its only right that now been in a position to record my 'holiday in the highlands ' this may i should do so. a mere 364 miles after leaving home i pulled into the carpark at 5.30 sunday the parade was over and bikes were under lock and key in the PF. much was as normal althoug there were no vans from the tyre barons, and the army were doing the refuleiing but using 'hired' vehicles for the week ( transit flatbed and ford pickups) up early on monday and perhaps 50 saw the first rider pipped away by a wee lady piper ( who quickly sought the dry and warmth of her car after the first rider had left) fast as legally able we got to trotters burn as the first riders were leaving, parking was available along the narrow single track road but the constabulary were out the day before with hundreds of cones. the sections lowere down were straight forward enough the water levels were benign the top section though was the mark taker a steep 8 foot rock climb sorted the top boys out ( who made it look effrotless) those less skilled or just unluky had to be plucked from the pool at the bottom as bikes hung from the top of the rock or worse still followd them back into the burn, one scorpa fell so hard it sparked as it bounced and took the fuel cap clean of the tank!! those with an eye on saturdays finish wisely started the section but turned left and out just before the rock climb. the weather at this stage was wet but not windy the rain soft but persistant. next we were off to the ferry at corran but were lead astray by the sirens at the morrisons cafe ( full scottish braekfast toast and tea a fiver) so made an early arrival at laghana. what a well set up group the locals had the community hall all set up teas coffee soup ( tomato or veg) and the best selection of WI cakes for many miles an excellent effort by the ladies whilst the men took a couple of quid to park us on the football pitch and then when full across the road at the farm. despite the requests on here and from the organisers two quid was too much for some to bear and they had to ride or drive to virtually the sections themselves!! the first couple in the beck behind the farm were traditional fare with football sized boulders rolling around in the fast but shallow water. the main meat though was a couple of hundred yards away steep rocky sections with a difficulty rating of close to 10. very few cleans on the hardest section and again the qualities of those better riders is to be admired but also disected. Doug's bike control and confident competant style can only be marvelled at. Harrys bravado and moto cross style is no less effective whilst the younger 'bouncers' like to leave the section with a hop of celebration if clean. dougs routine at sections is worth noting. he walks the length of each section then when walking back down every five yards or so he turns and reviews those few yards before descending a few more yards and turning to check again then at the start turns and checks one more time. a real pro as he follows this from the hardest to most simple sections. it did really rain at laghana and the level of the water rose and fell throughout the afternoon but in practical terms made little or no difeerene to the sections themselves. tuesday and up with the larks again at 7.30 to check the previous days results in PF. unsurprisingly it was raining already..Our first section was at alggan locksa nd how riders must have breathed a sigh of relief for despite the rain there was no water apparent at either of the two sections! the first was in a modest gully with the 20 or so spectators standing on either side looking down on the riders. the section had some decent boulders 2 foot or so to negotiate but the hardest part was finding grip on the vbery loose surface which was mainly grit and fist sized stones. Katy was probably the first clean at the fist section here. the second section was longer but on a much easier gradiant and being 6 foot wide there were plenty of possible routes and the section proved clenable by most infact the applause ussually reserved for cleans was given only to those who found troiuble and got out of it with a dab or two. then on to creag linne (spelt very badly) via a massive map reading error. standing at the bottom of the first section where the massed ranks of the lampkin clan with big mart playing with the youngest who was seen astride a bike and taking a keen interest in the handlebars whist other young lampkins barely old enough to go to school demonstrated thier skills riding thier variuos push bikes down the muddy slope. A little like a Yorkshires version of the Spartan initiation test! the bottom section had a stiff leap between rocks that was attempetd by many and cleaned by a good few many escaped with a dab few fives were reported and i saw non asked for a good section that everyone could ride and have a go at. the next had riders gulping as they were faced by a 15 foot rock face that had to be tackeld from virtually a standing start from a deep rock pool. again though the plotters had it right the rock had grip and determination luck and or skill had a high proportion making the ends cards and into the next sub immediately . this had everyone scrathcing heads and doug harry and mart gave it a good coat of looking at and watching how others fared and failed before settling on the right line. once chosen ot became the line of choice and many cleans were made of the off camber climb then the ride along a knife edged rock. the final two subs had a massive boulder ight on the ends of the first and start of the next sub. i'm glad i didnt have to observe. only the brave attempted the boulder head on other chose to take two or three dabs and worked there way around the rock. on the way back to town we stooped briefly at forest edge a steep section in a gully which ended with a boulder at the end of a very yneven climb cleans werent so frequent but were roundly applauded. one rider waited for his mate ( who failed at the last step) and when asking how had he done said it couldnt have been that good as he'd not heard any applause!! my record of events from wenesday is in another thread but to finish a big well done to the organisers to see the 'juggernaut ' persevere in such conditions is incredible, support for the event from locals seemed unanimous,' radio nevis for talking to themselves in the Pf. the very wet teams who supported riders each day upon thier return the landladies for drying kit each night the observers and those soaked desert rats well done one and all..

I and my brother walked the 6 miles up to loch eilde cottage for the two subs on wednesday. ( cottage is a bit grand its a semi derelict , mostly derelict building at the far end of the loch probably used by those that dammed the loch in 1916-18) the weather was fine until the first riders arrived. refueling first at the fuel tent manned by two wet desert rats.. At that time the winds were approx. 30mph and the rain was HEAVY. the three observers were huddled in a portable fishing bothy and had two of the easiest sections of the trial to observe. they ran consequteively and were about 40 yards in length total with a rise of 8 -10 feet in total. from my experince these were certainly on a par with bradford and spen valleys beginners sections. most riders rode to the start took very basic advice form the two spectators ( me and brother) up the middle keep right aim for the left ends card ( they were that simple) and cleaned both sections without looking at them at all ( many didnt even dismount at the start) i'd seen dougie ride probably 15 of the hardest sections of the trial before wednesday and he was faultless nay imperial.For dougie to drop 1 on the first and 3 on the third is astonishing in fact unbelievable! his son would have dropped less! i personally didnt see him ride as we started the 2.5 hr walk back to the road! are these results really correct? we were also at the next group of two sections at the kinlocleven end of loch eilde when the decsion was made to abandon the section due to the weather. the section was rideable but the health and safety of the observers was certainly at risk with the rain coming down like bullets and snow falling only a couple of hundred feet higher up the slope and abandoning the section was in the circumstances the correct decision. At the time half the riders were taking fives for the sections with one or two stalwarts making decent attempts for 3's although the observers reporeted that the sections earlier had been 'cleaned' but since then it was like a sluice had been opened and the section was described by a rider as white water rapids with the severe rockery barely visible. my brother and i were well equipped with top quality wather proofs and a piece of equipment scorned by 'pro' hill walkers ie a bloody big brolly.. having been out in what must be the worst weather the trial has had in some years it highleighted another area the oirganisers may have to look further at. ensuring that the equipment the observers have is adequate. on the first of the sections at the 'cottage' the three old hands sat in thier fishermans bothy with rubberised suits and were excellently protected from all the moor could throw at them. the other observers were less well prepared for the weather conditions ( although water proofs and large brollys were evident) Although the decsion to leave the section would and should have been the same the proctection afforded the observers could have been greater and perhaps the club might look at the portable fishermans bothy espectially for those remote sections with little or no cover from trees walls etc is available. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/carp-fishing-shelter...%3A1%7C294%3A50

why not bite the bullet.. a rechrome and piston is about 200 quid job done

thanks for the update Tom! I believe Pauls surname is spelt Heys and if that is the case well done to the lad he certainly came from left field with that ride. his most recent P65 rides and results are below and wouldnt hint at him winning the premier event ( he did last week though trounce the clubmen at a bolton modern trial on his cub) many congratulations. http://www.yorksclassictrials.co.uk/result...tains8-3-09.pdf http://www.redroseclassictrials.org.uk/results.html event on 11th of jan

lucky you got away with it. police are triumphant about crushing bikes in and around rochdale at the moment..

the cheeky devils can be reistant to coming out.. as my old trainer used to tell me .. hit it it's not your friend.. howevr they do like to be warmed up and 5 minutes with a blow torch and the things will fall out no problem. get the best quality you can afford pay about 8 pound a wheel and they will pay you back by lasting that bit longer and being exactly the right size will go in and come out easier..

thanks andy. second days photos online at 5.30pm thank you for making the effort. couple of questions though .. whats that big yellow thing in the sky on a couple of todays pics.. WHO WON...

great effort 3 sections within 24hrs of the trial starting, many thanks, looking at the weather i'd better pack an extra brolly for next week.. http://www.scottishproducttv.com/motor_sports_channel.htm

thanks for your comments, as a trials official myself, i never realised that been a volunteer meant being able to abdicat quality as you were unpaid for a task. even at the p65 getting results is nigh impossible unless your in the know. how hard would it to to post the results on the door of the school on the saturday morning before the first rider starts? as the premier competion for p65 bikes is it acceptable for results not to be avialble officially from any source other than the competitors own results? how difficult would it be for the organisers to say.. hey jim your a silver surfer post the results on this internet stuff on saturday night can you..hey sue your sons at school can he use his laptop to put the results on the tinternet. i come at this from having ridden soley p65 trials for 15 years in possibly the countries best clubs who produce internet results before 5pm on the day of the trial to all entrants and club members and all done by somebody who doesnt even attend the trial!! Granted thier annual trial that attracts 180 riders meant that results were delayed until almost 6pm on the day of the trial.... clearly somebody must know what the results for day 1 were, why is the information not available 24hrs later.. why am i not in kinlochleven... well i by chance 2 years ago stayed on to watch the first day of the ssdt and am hooked so come sunday i'm travelling the 600 odd miles north for a week of trials where i'll know whose dropped what each morning and during the day..where i can afford any of the bikes being ridden and could buy any of them on monday morning at my local dealer if i chose to..

the one area where the p65 reallu falls short as the worlds best trial is communication. frankly its an attitude that is unacceptable in todays world ( see hilarys excellent comments and the debate that that started in support)

use a nice fully synthetic oil for the engine i have an 03 and use 70ml in 5litres of super unleaded, no smoke and no plug fouling, clean the airfilter after every ride, they dont half collect the muck/dust. completely wash and re oil once evry 3 or 4 rides ( not too much oil the bike will run rich) that gearbox oil has gone after about 8hrs ( dont do any more) it takes about 550 ml to do the job i use 10-40 check the plug after every ride. after every ride remove the flywheel cover and wd40 the insides leave off until the next ride. check the water level before every ride it should be just below the level of the bottom of the thread. when riding try not to put your feet down.

http://www.cowmleisure.com/ you can ride as far as you can see. the site is massive and even when busy you 'd find it hard to see someone else..

back cowm at rochdale is only 40 minutes from junction 27 of the m62.

the issue with the bike is that is not competative nor will be without a significant investment of time cash and knowledge ( gaunt elder rides/ rode a much developed bike) as a collectors piece with some relevant history 2k plus might be achievable realistically if you make 2k as is you'll have done well.

if its consumables any local trials dealer if its engine or chassis parts lampkins and they are first class

norms the form man at the mo. winning modern club trials on the thing to. SO expect the hill to be alive with shouts of ''YORKSHIRE'' No doubt regulars will know how shy and retireing us white rose boys can be...

having considered and ridden a fair few 4t before settling on a 2t, i believe the beta 4t is a grest starter even when you lob it pick it up and away you go ( all the bikes i rode though had been modded on the jetting from std. at the end of the day though the 2t won as there are hundreds of other bikes the same out there anyone can fix em. the 4t are losing thier money faster a 2t if 4t were better the demand for tham would keep the price up and every body would be riding them at trials and yet i see only about 5% of bikes are 4t

similar on a beta, the rear silencer can have the stuffing taken out then de carboned but the first 'expansion box' has no way of opening it up so dont light that. the front pipe responds nicely though to a good bar b que

turn the 'idle screw in' to lowere the revs? surely that will raise the throttle and raise the revs?

whip it off, hose it down, apply chain cleaner, wipe clean, let it dry, apply chain cleaner, wipe it clean . clean sprokets/ guides, refit , lubricate.

fascinating inquiry. the solution seems striaghtforwrd and cost effective but in practical terms how long will they last on a trial? as stated the thing is not mot necessary but to determine if a bike is roadworty by a police officer. as said police officer isnt allowed to ride your bike to test the thing