johnnyboxer

Honest view - you have a hardly ridden 2016 bike (your words) 260 Mont..............why not keep that, as the 2020 Mont is just the same Ask yourself, why aren't you riding it? Is it an ornament? Ride the one you have, instead Trials bikes and zero maintenance don't mix, if you're not a fettler................don't buy a Trials bike However if you want a Beta 4T, buy one................Just ride it more often or it's a waste and just an ornament

My TYZ came back the same, even with a longer Jap style VIN Just go down the reg route

I have a 2007 Repsol and it's fine - typical Honda and I couldn't tell a huge difference with the 260's when I tested one, however the 300RR was lovely, much more at the bottom and the Tech fork felt lighter

Do a trade HPi search on the chassis number, a normal online HPi won't allow it, so you need to find a 'friendly' motor dealer I had the same, with a TYZ Convinced it had been registered, but a trade HPi, via a work contact on the VIN number proved fruitless So I had to do the full registering rigmarole and vowed, never again

Every year, the specs say 'Improved Clutch' Is that not getting better??

Aren’t they Grimeca? i had a google on a few sites and they said Grimeca, since 2005 Maybe wrong though

What make are the callipers? AJP?

Ah yes, now you have pointed it out..............no need for an overlap of importers

That would fill up with mud and crap, pronto Personally I would keep the low mudguard and fit spacers/longer bolts, to improve clearance

How much is either and so what's the difference n price?

Good info that, thanks

If I was buying today, I would buy the stock over the Repsol (although I have a 250 Repsol today) as they both have dual mapping and on the 2020 Repsol a lot of the previous carbon goodies have been ommitted on the 2020 Repsol Like Jimmy said, I would stick a rear Ohlins or TRP shock on and if I was feeling extravagant a pair of Showa forks on too I have a lot of new Repsol Carbon bits, in the garage anyway - so would just add them to a stock 2020 bike and I have a spare pair of new DID wheels too

On my eMTB I always store the battery in the house in winter, as the cold knackers the lithium batteries and this year we haven't had much below freezing yet this winter

Fantastic, looks very sociable with the prizes and awards ceremony + food afterwards

More inertia on a 4T, lots more parts whirring around in the engine and the engine is heavier on a 4T, so it's more 'planted' and harder to do flips and tricks on (unless your name is Bou)

.............and their local dealers sell 4T's too, so they can ride them if they wanted Only top rider in UK on a 4T (a Beta) is Ben Hemingway Toby Martyn did well on the 4RT, but has had the last two seasons on a 2T Watching the Scott, the 4 strokes seem to make harder work of the sections, than the lads on the 2 strokes, for the same given ability..............just an observation If 4T was better the other Trials manufacturers would have launched a 4T in the last 10 years, but they haven't Only Beta and Honda

2 strokes win more Club & National UK Trials, simple as that Forget Bou, he's in a different league.................don't see many 4T's winning in UK

New graphics and gold wheels, bit of red anodising on the pegs.........................be patient

We have a bearing supplier, just up the road He recommended the SS versions of bearings, similar to those that are used in the food processing industry (water/heat/steam etc) a good few years ago So I use them in all my dirt bikes now and very rare to change a bearing afterwards - they do last longer Luckily he keeps (or can get) every bearing used on bikes, plus all the seals for a fraction of the cost of oem from a bike dealer and all his are quality Japanese manufactured and none of you 'All Balls' stuff

I did that and came back with nothing, so had to go through the whole rigmarole Paid a chap, approved by DVLA and VMCC £90 to do all the paperwork, NOVA etc (that was the easy bit !!!!!) MOT and insure on VIN number Then all I had to do, was to sign the form, include a copy of my Address and ID Proofs, include a cheque for £99 First Reg came back wrong year and no model type So sent it all back and issued correct reg number, but no model type In the end I had 2 reg numbers for same bike, with 3 V5c's...............DVLA grrrr

Just Clubman

In the dry..............similar

Well, what an interesting topic I have had 4RT's since they came out, 2005..............always 250's and never owned a 260 ( I have ridden a 260, but couldn't tell much difference) Now ride a 2007 Repsol I have always struggled with grip, probably because I don't ride it consistently and I am a Clubman Novice now. A few years ago, I bought a a TYZ 250 and now ride this more often as I seem to find it easier to get better results on The TYZ is not your typical revvy 2T, as it has a larger flywheel and delivers torque in spades, will plonk from nothing and find grip where others fail to find any (loose banks and cambers) and therefore is not dissimilar to a 4T, in some respects My TYZ has had the frame modified and the turning radius is now the same as a 4RT, at the headstock.............forks are are great and rear shock is acceptable It has become my favourite Trials bike, in the stable Love owning the 4RT, however much prefer riding the TYZ

Incidently a TY250R Mono weighs 89kg and the later TYZ250 weighs 79kg So a TYZ is only 5kg heavier than a 4RT

I see a few in Yorkshire have recently gone back to TSR22A, in the last few months, a change at BTC must have been mooted at ACU meetings, perhaps..............on the QT?