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or to put it another way please tell me after sixteen years of the BTC in its current format which of our current WTC competitors, not junior or youth, is likely to win a world round any time soon?

2010 sherco dbf ? try the breather to the tank under the mudguard, it has a one way valve which can get stuck.

Laser 1 I think we are in danger of losing the topic but agree Montesas approach is strange.

Great idea Dabster

WRONG if montesa made a copy of Bous bike they wouldnt sell any, nobody could afford to buy it. In 2007 the UK importer claimed the factory bike cost

Its harder to correct your line without stopping If less than 10 people wish to ride at the current level of severity why not reduce it. In case you havent noticed the WTC and the BTC need more entries, its not just about club trials. we all heard the "lets make it professional / TV friendly and watch those advertising

inlet rubber ?

Best way to develop an air cooled yam is actually to sell yours and buy the one Roger Williams rode in the SSDT this year. I rode it in a club trial recently, although it feels top heavy compared to a modern bike once you adjust to this its fantastic to ride. Capacity may be 262 as birks did the motor, Roger then fitted a Keihin PWK 28 carb, this thing revs to the moon but still has torque. It has the std air filter box. Roger also got Ohlins to build a shock, rear suspension is as good as anything else I have ridden. Footrests are lower and look further back and the bike has a tubeless rim. Finally Birks made a shirty style tail pipe. I dread to think what it cost but it is superb.

If the top three in my view being Dabill, Brown and Wigg, went to Italy or spain instead you could then reduce the severity enough on the champ route to allow the winner to drop 20 - 30 and then the current expert A riders can join the champioship route. Camberman are you based in the uk ?

Shut up Dicky With the no stop debate in full swing hopefuly nobody will notice this..... see Kevin Dignan on there as well Steve Thackery, Eddie Aitken and Alistair Dalton still ride but theres a few North East names on there who we dont see anymore.

Wake up ! Trials is an amateur sport for 99.9% of participants The world championship has nothing to do with bike sales, the 4rt is not the best selling bike is it ? In fact Honda / Montesa had so many left they ceased production for a while. Sherco / Gas Gas / Beta outsell them not because they are in the world champ getting their a*** kicked by Montesa but because most of us realise that we should buy what suits us, the WTC is not a good indicator of this. the other point you make about aspiring to the WTC ? Have you missed how many people aspire to ride in a current WTC round ? This is what the rule change at BTC level is about in my opinion, you need more participants and that means more people aspiring to take part. If no stop isnt the solution then we either think of somthing else to change or knock £400 of the price of each new bike and just scrap the WTC / BTC.

so if the colmore timed every section and had punch cards you would need 120 observers ?

we struggle to get 10 observers for a local trial so we are not going to get 20. If its a UK nartional with 40 sections your going to need 80 observers, thats just too many.

Totally agree Woody I see little point in a super hard championship route at BTC which is supposed to be grooming riders for a WTC thats dead on its feet. I am tired of the arguement that its ok because the youth class at WTC or Expert B prop up the entry numbers. Its not ok that nobody has broken into the top 5 for how long and that generally new riders cant make the grade on the champ route. No disrespect to any of them but if they are losing more than 100 marks in 30 sections they arent really going to win anytime soon, thats more than 3 marks per section for those of you who failed GCSE maths . Good on the ACU for trying somthing, if it doesnt work the rest of us can still ride every sunday in our own events. If the WTC dies in current form does it really matter to me or you ?

tricky dicky has sent me the lottery numbers for tonight whoo hoo !

they could try no stop, even Yeadon and Guisely are next year...

is that the Michael Skinner who used to ride for Montesa and Ossa in the 70s / 80s ?

GREAT TO SEE THE RESULTS, ARE YOU WINDING ME UP ??????? Not if your G Quinn it isnt, national debut at 14 finished last with a maximum score on day 1. I have kept that a secret all these years and then this happens, my dad still thinks I won ! It was a fantastic weekend, I was having my 21st at the 1989 edition of the event but it was cancelled as the wainwright clashed in England and there were not enough entries. A real shame, it was a fantastic trial. Clink I owe you a poke in the eye with very sharp stick.....

so when do we all buy our last internal combustion engined trials bike ? 3 years 5 years 10 years how long does the battery last on the bike in the video ?

just misunderstood the term tranny I think...

THe ACU lets organisers decide what rules they want to run so lets allow clubs to decide and the riders decide what event they want to ride. one way or another things will stay the same or one set of rules will prosper. can we stop arguing now (me included) and get out and enjoy yourself on a bike. its sunday tomorrow, yee ha!

Two things Pere Olle (thought it was Pedro) on the Beta 240 twinshock. I had one of these as a schoolboy, what a great little bike, i'd love to get one again, happy days ! other point is watching this we should stop arguing over rules really and get out and enjoy ourselves. THe ACU lets organisers decide what rules they want to run so let them decide and the riders decide what event they want to ride. one way or another things will stay the same or one set of rules will prosper.

some of the best bikes ever made have had left hand kickstarts Bultaco Ossa SWM Beta to name a few sorry but think this is a bit of a pointless poll.The other thread Neo started had more potential ie how long has the same basic design of Beta engine been in production.. and how come people still complain about the clutch draggging when Beta have had a good 15 years to sort this, Electrics do seem to be sorted now but thats took about 10 years

re previous post and rules being stop permitted for those riding BTC. How many riders from the SE centre ride in the BTC ? At the moment we have a BTC set up to prepare about 6 - 8 people for the WTC We then have centres keeping stop permitted to prepare the 6 or maybe less people who ride BTC per centre, yorkshire is probably and exception in terms of numbers. seems the sport is prioritising a minority..?

The bike you buy now off Gas Gas is non homolugated but you can tax it as trials bikes have an exemption. this has applied for a few years, its why when you have to get a bike inspected they check things like ground clearance. The problem you will have importing one is that you wnt have a v55, not sure if you need one to get the exemption. DVLA should be able to advise.