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3 to 4 years for me - takes me a yearr to learn, a couple of good yaesr then a year to realise a need to dip into my pocket and change. I do ride Montesa so you can probably reduce this for less well bikes. Ride every weekend and clubman nationals etc

Probably a lot of this is already on TC but we are always happy to help. I found you cant slip the clutch and spin up the engine like on a 2T, especially on the earlier Monts like yours. A 2006 repsol maybe a 2005 bike possibly. Check you have larger clutch master cyl and 2006 clutch plates at least. These are not expensive changes but make clutch a lot better over the original 2005 bikes. You also need to get your body well rearwards to maximise the low down torque. On Slippery climbs etc I found you need to be very traditional in the turn/approach no revs and clutch ala 2T but once lined up and clutch you can be more aggressive on the throttle than a 2t and she will grip. This initial grip need to be abused with lots of aggression and throttle to allow you to roll off and play with the throttle once grip start to to diminish. If ridding deep mud etc then build up the revs slowly and to a constant against the clutch, hold the revs steady and release the clutch slowly, again once gripping give it max then roll off and ride out with a smile. Watch some videos of Bou -big revs when stationary the almost ride the hazard on the overrun. Never snap the throttle closed like on a 2t, I found I always ride with just a smidge of throttle left on on the over run, stops the full weight transferring to the front wheel - took me a while to suss this out after dabbing on a flat slippery stream bed. Latest bikes are not as sensitive to this. Stick with it as on a rocky stream or a bit of open moorland you will not fail to smile. Also the reason is many Monts have bling is that there is nothing to repair or fix when you go into the garage

yep -possibly cut down though as 315 tank is longer

Front same a part from holes. 4rt mudguard and brace would go straight on. Had 315 on the front of the 4rt for years Good luck

Like to add my congrats to Dan Not only is he a very capable rider but also a very sensible head on his shoulders with regard to all things trials. Its good to watch his lines as a rider and also listen to his opinion when I'm an organiser. Well done Dan

Cracking result and well pleased for him. He's also a genuine nice lad from a down to earth if a little crazy family.( Enjoyed a few hours listening to his father tell his rallying stories at this years welsh presentation.) This year with all his competitions he has turned out and helped with coaching duties for Trials Training Wales/Project 2000. Good luck for the rest of the year and into 2016

ignition mapping and fuel mapping are changeable with in tolerances if you have a Programmable throttle body on your bike. Maps are available on line etc. Software and leads come up for auction or can be bought new. If anybody local would probably do for you if you ask nice. Have a search on the Montesa forum - lots of info. Temp/fan/run hours etc not adjustable/available as far as I know.

I know but its good to talk

Too true - can't understand why these are not marketed /fitted to all the Monts as a major USP. Cant cost anymore to make them. (maybe emission laws) I'm no boffin but have amalgamated a couple of maps and them tweaked to get a map that really suits me. Have put the softest beginners map on friends bike and makes it really smooth like a little turbine and so ride able especially with an S3 pipe. Same bike different map could be winning nationals. My list of 4rt musts PTB Case saver on front sprocket 2 bits of 10mm rod welded to footrest hanger supports ala future racing 4 bits of mesh on mudguard to stop muck going into air box Mitani sump shield or similar X lite tyres tank of fuel Big smile -compulsory The rest is just bling and personal preferences

That's why I stuck with my 09 - got all the bits I want and don't really want to give them up by changing bikes but thinks its time for a bit of a change - just not that much.

Yo Mr addict nice to see you back posting on TC. Are you on the std bike or the repsol?. I do have a spare Showa shock from a 315 - not sure if the 4rt ones are different as the rest of linkage/swing arm is the same. To me the RR is pointless, don't need more than 250cc, I put my 280 back to 250, I have PTB, what else does it offer for £3k. Think I'm talking my self into a std 2105 bike and then give it a tweak.

I quiet fancy an upgrade from my trusty 09 250 4rt But As the advert goes I really like the Repsol and I also really like the new RR (and think the showa suspended bikes are the best) But Is a standard 250 with say an Ohlins rear shock be the Aldi version? The std bike is £2000 cheaper and I'm sure there would be change out of that even if you change tyres as well to Michelins. I really do want a Repsol but my tight northern upbringing is making me ask the question!!!. I have no knowledge of the tech forks so any input appreciated.

Good to hear things are going the right way. Took me several months especially on the slippery stuff. One thing you can do once the bike is straight and rolling and clutch is pretty much out is be really aggressive with the throttle. I think then weight back and having faith I think is the biggest thing to overcome. Rolling off the throttle as Mr Sunter says when hanging off the back half way up a slippery bank is a hard mind set to change but once confident its a good feeling Line her up, build up the revs, clutch out smoothly then big hand full of throttle, wait for it to grip on the over run then blip blip clean out the top. I have found that I find myself crouching into the bike when on a big blast/muddy climb etc. I think its now an amalgamation of weight back and C of G as low as possible so when the grip comes the front isn't facing the sky. stick with it buddy

And there was us think it was his HRC special 4rt that makes him so good, maybe he is just a genius!!!

1 psi is 25% at nominal of 4psi I'm a bit OTT with tyre pressure but will check several times before the start of a trial especially cold night sunny day scenario. Also check 3 or 4 times each check to ensure I'm getting a good reading. Will check at first group of section if road trial - letting tyre cool down while I walk the section. On Multi lap would check when refuelling or coming back through start area. Better to check more often than not as the pressure will change through out the day

early hangers were silver, later black but think dimensionally the same. just a point of note. if your footrests are flat when bike is standing straight as soon as you lean in to a corner etc one foot rest will now be angled down encouraging your foot to slip off (mine don't normally need much encouraging). I find best to have footrests slightly angled up to eliminate this.

It's a Montesa (Honda) = broken aint in the vocabulary. New would be nice but back and front end are 15 years old and still best in the business. Bit in the middle is 10 years old but bangs out the results at all but the very highest level in std form. Cosmetics and stickers is in reality all it needs for majority of riders The latest bikes 2014/2015 that everybody has got back on are not a million miles from the unfashionable/heavy/uncompetitive older versions that everybody moved away from. Maybe we have reached the reliability/performance/cost fulcrum. You can have more of any one but only at the expense of the other. I guess you pays your money and makes your choice!!!

Check your suspension plates are installed correct way

Its Bou's new bike to meet the new FIM weight limits

The 2 recent S3 rounds in Wales would be good training if you do get an entry as not far away for you as would the other Northern S3 rounds and a few of the Northern Normandales. Riding and walking 30 sections different sections every day needs getting used to especially if you only do multi lap events.. Having ridden numerous times and last time 2008 you need to keep pushing on all day to get back in time every day. You can't afford to rush looking at sections as you will find every hole but adversely if you spend too long you will be tight on time.

Be interesting if expert above had permission from S3 organiser to ride elsewhere - I'm sure that is definitely against the rules

Having ridden both trials this year on the clubman route and enjoyed some of the best trials riding , scenery, weather and organisation for a long time I can only feel sorry for those that could not genuinely attend and also for those unable to ride Monday due to entry being full by people not being able to attend. Maybe some of Mondays DNS fell foul to Sunday route. As a rider and organiser I can see both sides of the argument but I think the mix everybody in the same pot ignores or even belittles one important point - get yourself organised. I know the Powys trial well and made sure my entry was in ASAP, "simples". This must help the organiser as the sooner entries are in the better prepared they can be. I notice Dan Thorpe was at the back both days - don't think that was coincidence. Calendars are out at the start of the year so people should know what they want to ride and get themselves sorted. However if they suddenly find that they have a free weekend then just ride at the front and enjoy it (I have done at the Powys in the past), they are still cracking trials. Are people that vain that they genuinely pull out because the streams might be a bit slippery and their results might look bad. Even if at the front they are not impossible or dangerous and the fact they are entering late probably means they are not chasing championship. I see on Llangollen's web site that they went to the effort to scrub all section in advance!. Anyway - I thoroughly enjoyed my weekend and thank both clubs for the efforts. The organisation at the Lomax was especially noteworthy with people marshalling on gates, road junctions etc and what a pleasure for motorbikes to take over an entire village with welcome arms.

I use standard mont hangers buy with a small 10mm rod welded to strengthen the bracket as per the ones on the future web site. Maintains standard position so no need for short brake pedal, can easily be welded and straightened if necessary and at about £20 each cheapest option

Rode the Oxford round and really enjoyed, have looked to ride others but holidays, clashes with other events etc have meant this has not been the case. I think a lack of firm dates well in advance is possibly a big hindrance. Also being a "independent" series means that lots of other trials and championship have been put in the calendar long before these dates come out. As an ex yorkie I love the Sheffield area trials and have really enjoyed the Normandales but for me 28Th has been allocated to local centre championship so is a no go. ( AS well as the Oxford round II have ridden the twin shock classes in both Torridge and N Lanc s Normandales so I am prepared to travel where quality trials and dates align)

This news is bad on several fronts. A) the Bootle trial is a cracking event - one of the best of the year in my opinion. the lakes weekend is very cost effective for riders travelling up from the south - makes the Lancs trial an expensive event now (but again a good trial so worth it) C) A national championship event which is both good and on superb land not getting entries must be a worry long term? The Normandale events normally pull good entries with no sweat. D) the organisers have probably done a lot of work already so a real shame to have to cancel. Lets hope to see this event back on next year and thank Bootle for the efforts this year .