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No trials bikes are made that well (regardless of the brand), so often they are all pretty worn out especially 11-12 years old! However in terms of robustness and general ridability the 'pre pro' models are better bikes than the later models. If its a good example go for it...

No! It means the bike must have exactly the same shockers fitted as when it was made.... hope they are not knackered! Now I'm off to start a disc brake aftermarket company called 'drum brakes' ......

One bike that nobody has mentioned but I thought was nice an easy to ride is a Scorpa the Yam engined 250 2 stroke one.. Not sure if they are £1k stuff, but then I suspect they are certainly old enough now. I have not ridden one for a few years but remember thinking it was a nice easy bike to ride.... Plus as its not 'Big Time World Round' the demand is not high... I think they can be bought quite cheap... hopefully others can add to this... or maybe not... Be nice to get somebody elses point of view.

Maybe it is the bike thats not ready for top level... and so what if it isn't? It might be a fantastic bike for the 99.99% of other riders (the ones who pay for it). Remember the Monoshock Yam? After we all said it was not upto the job (and after a few strengthening mods!!) they spread like a virus by normal people riding their mates and finding they were superb. They only ever won one round of the World Champs (France with Girard riding)and yet they were a huge success! I hope people ride them. If they are good I hope they buy them, regardless of the bikes success in WTC stuff. As for riding gear stopping them turning out...

Got to say the gear selector shaft position and design on the GG is total crud.... OK maybe a litte harsh, but it seems like an afterthought.. a bit like the kickstart OK so theres a real small engine and quite a nice design... Oh where does the gearlever go..?? The kickstart??..Ok it can just stop against the engine casing... Don't worry about the paint finish on the clutch cover.

"Now that is scientific fact

Can't compare different generations really, but in terms of how easy they made it look (and pre Bou too!) Tarres, Michaud, Rathmell oh and Andrews (Europea Champ but the same thing)

I tend to agree but not the bit about Philip Green ... not what I've heard anyway... Oh and I'd dump Uni Law courses and add real ones like the sciences and engineering! Sir (really why?) Philip Green, billionaire boss of Arcadia, who owns Topshop, Dorothy Perkins and Miss Selfridge among others. Arcadia is owned by Taveta Investments Limited, which is registered to an office on the tax-haven island of Jersey. Taveta Investments is owned by Green’s family members living in Monaco, where income tax is 0%. It’s estimated Green avoided paying £285million in tax in 2005 alone. - Philip Green's £285m tax dodge would have paid for 13,000 new police officers - The tax dodged by Philip Green could have paid for 20,000 NHS nurses - To clarify the reports, Philip Green avoided £300 million on his £1.2bn dividend payout

Hang on I thought that the very high bonuses for the few would get paid? Otherwise the rare talent would leave for other shores... The same talent that we need to prevent any financial meltdowns... ERM.. the same talent that there are probably 10000 other people capable of filling each one of these rare talented jobs. Thank heavens for such talent otherwise we would have suffered a recession over the last few years.... ....

Just do a bit of fabrication. Weld a loop (with teeth filed in it) on the back side of the footrest to double its effective width Oh and file off the large pointy tooth at the end of the footrest which just goes through your boots!

Addingham Moorside aye... You can soon turn a new bike old there! Especially when 'other than the tyres' are the main contact points with those rocks... It was a good short slot on TV.. I'm surprised they didn't say scramble bikes though.. its usually only 'trials bikes' when there has been some trouble!

Yes land is a limiting factor... I've ridden a lot of the variants and I prefer the real stop allowed rules where you could roll/hop backwards, but not dab whilst stopped or going back. That said, I don't think this rule is good for trials and can see the merits of no-stop, which is the version I prefer the least. All methods have difficulties in observing Sometimes we need to consider the full picture and sadly I dont think the ACU are doing this!

Bang on! We've had a time when Lampkin was at the top for ages and I don't think it did owt for the general sport of trials in the UK. I was dismayed at the lack of general media coverage an English multi world champ got. The sport needs to be so that it caters for the masses... now I didn't say that means No-stop or stop allowed or whatever, but to be fair the ACU ought to be actively looking at future options to preserve trials maybe pushing a forum like this to have a serious vote... These options need to be to maximise the use of whatever land is available and as we know not every piece of land lends itself to stop or no-stop rules.

It'll be for the money!

There also appears to be a general retro revival... BMX,Racing Cycles, Clothes, Cars, Bikes Etc... maybe nostalgia has somthing to do with the popularity of Twinshocks etc. There is a big issue about the severity levels though.. Even though the top men can now hop flick and ride up a cliff face, the beginner still has trouble just turning round on the tracks between the sections, same as beginners in the 80's and before that.. there is now a level of unfeasibility to top level trials... Anyway about bikes... I find it hard to believe that all the old bikes were scrapped and I've no idea how many bikes were made per manufacturer in the early 80's, but I bet it was 5+ times what each manufacturer makes now?... so there must be loads of bikes out there???

Seems in many cases the land is lacking to have the nice straighforward stream sections of the past etc. No promotion/specatacle or whatever will get people back to trials. theres too much for people to do now... like sat at home on the computer unless... Yes! that's it!!!...I think a change of name to X-Classic Trials will do it! Many of the pre 65 and twinshock bikes are a modern take on what they were anyway... some are much newer than my '07 Gasser too!

They'll never get through security... OSSA ma Bin Laden... hmmmm

It used to be Trials but now its X -Trials... the riders used to be spurts but now they are X spurts. You need to be a real X-spurt to do X-Trials... It looked to also be X-organised by x-organisers too (as in a bit of a poor show) the only thing this 'added on to the Enduro event' X-trial had was more natural sections... and 'flying carpeting too!

It says 'Dougie Lampkin Gas Gas'. So he picked a name for his bike? Whats wrong with that? "Was told that it was Dougie Lampkin's ex bike by the guy I bought it from, I have no reason to doubt this but also cannot verify this." Hmmm perhaps the bloke called it Dougie Lampkin sex bike? and the current owner misheard him?

Every trials motorcycle that any factory has made is is 'ex-works' surely.

Come on don't be silly! This OSSA is a start up company. There is no way they could afford to pay for all the red wine he needs!

Coil problem.... did it run out?... I didn't know that Beta's are steam powered

Golf!... golf isn't a sport (well not in the league of Trials)... but I suppose it's a sport if curling is The main problem with most other 'things' (games sports, etc.) is that the course can be played/driven round/rode by people of all levels... but, as we all know, Trials isn't like that! Blimey.. I was going to suggest Bosis as he rode at a decent level until last year! Looks like they were all a bit 'hard of thinking' if they laid out sections to suit previous rules. Well if all the rounds are like that will they still attract 13 riders, or however many there were?... However, if there are no minders in the sections (is this true?), maybe it will make them all think about severity..................eventually!!! I just hope nobody gets smashed up before they realise.

The void between the winners and also ran riders is getting larger so it seems. To take 48 of Bou says it's too hard. Sadly riders as good as Wiggy and Browny look poor in the results (and we know they can ride!) If they don't have one then the FIM needs to wise up and get a professional section advisor to travel the series (I'm talking an ex top world level rider) ... It will cost money (but if they can't afford such costs then they may as well pull the plug), but so what... Still how can they take marks of the best without killing the others it remains a challenge! I was looking forward to going to Baiona, but the volcanic ash put a stop to that... Hey the sections may have been laid out easy, but the volcanic ash could have greased them up!!!.... Tricky was there any volcanic activity before the Scarborough trial?

I've got the same bike and its very strong off the bottom end. It pulls high gears and can dig into softer terrain nicely, but it's how you feed in the power (clutch etc.) on the slippery clay/grassy slopes type surfaces that seems to be the problem. It certainly doesn't seem to be ideal for riding styles that use only a small amount of clutch. It's also very wearing as it takes a fair bit of concentration to feed the power in smoothly. Make sure your rear suspension is set nice and compliant though, it'll give you a chance to ride with a bit more weight on the rear without it kicking you forward all the time. As I recall... maybe incorrectly!!! It needs to drop at least a third of the travel with you stood on it... are they 180mm??? at the back... so work on at least 60mm drop. If you are a beginner then good luck! These type of bikes are nice to blast about on, but when it comes to real riding in sections only 0.5% of the trials riders ought to have such a thing (and these guys get them for nothing!). But it's like most things for us... more is better, when really it isn't. The 160 Gasser was a much easier bike to ride!!! I still wouldn't consider changing mine for anything lesser though