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Just had a look at the regs for the last BTC and a chap called John Kerwin was listed as CoC.

Even though the importers may be wanting to help, I can't see how they can be allowed to mess around with the sections. Surely the sections are the responsibility of the CoC who needs a licence ( I believe they do?) to do this. This half help method ends up with nobody taking responsibility as such... could get messy. Unless they entioned to the CoC that some changes would help and then the CoC agreed otherwise its a mess!

No it was silver... she left us with the brown!

It looks like its pre -pinky version... OK the engine cases may have been changed but pinky's had grey cases. and as Shedco says the back wheel is different (well it maybe the original ...).. pink trimmed ones had grey hubs. Not that there is much difference. Other than the front brake set up of course( which may have been added later on this bike)... some late white ones had disc mounts on the forks even with the drum brake on! Wes silencers don't seem too good on these bikes 270 over 250 is hardly any difference it's all in the porting and shortened inlet.

I guess we are used to paying to see stuff in the UK. In 2004 I went to Puerto Pajares in Asturia for the Spanish round... No spectator entry fee... no parking fee... I was very surprised! France was OK at 15 Euros for the weekend UK looks great value at £25 per day!... They ought to charge more! I just hope that nobody goes to watch

15 Monopoly things (€) for the weekend

What about Saunders Gas Gas '160' (or '200') that he rode in Scotland a while back?.... that engine was tricked up ..... as it was (at least) a 250! For real tricked up bikes How about the Yams that Andrews rode?

Funniest thing I ever heard was when they created the 'Clubmans Championship'... Virtually every club has one of those, so why have a national one! When you look at any championship there are sometimes people who win it and it makes you wonder, but they meet the criteria set by the ACU, so thats OK. I seem to recall Braybrook winning the clubmans championship and he met the eligibility criteria! I guess people have different ideas for what the BTC is. But at the end of the series there will be a winner and they'll be the champ....and all the sub level championship classes are just that!... They are all closely fought and tough to win, but there's only one proper British Champ. I'd hope that vitually everyone understands we will never get back to one route trials regardless of the rules. I like the no-stop idea and think that its good that the ACU have gone with it OK I still prefer the REAL stop allowed rules, where stopping with the foot down was 5 and rolling back was allowed, but we've seen that they had to have section time limits to speed things on. Anyway, I'd expect the same guys to be up at the top stop allowed or not.

A It was 'easy' because it was stop allowed? B It was 'easy' because Raga cleaned it? C It was 'easy' because the weather changed and dried out the sections (set out in worse conditions and with similar conditions expected on the comp. day)? D None of the above? Well I'd read the report on Todotrial and whilst being unable to 'phone a friend' as I don't have any... I reckon C)........ Do I win a prize?

.... and if Dabill hadn't have 5'd the section he would have won!... the trial wasn't cleaned by anybody so it wasn't like the Spanish Champ round....

Don't Yams have the same engine number and frame number?...... what about the motor any history with that?

Yep! ... As you know some bike 'mods' can be peddled by a monkey with an angle grinder and a welding set, but neither skill nor ability are available this way. Are they the Fornales shocks?... They don't look like them... "if he had those on he'd have cleaned the section" said Monkey With Angle Grinder (and welding set)

Yep we need to get a trials marketing campaign aimed at the Mormons ! P

10kg heavier than other bikes of their day!... they ride Scottish type sections great ... very stable... might be a momentum thing ... I should add that they ride Scottish type sections great when the electrics are working. Oh and if you ride em on reasonable stuff the frames crack on the downtubes Camozzi rode it well, but he was built like a rugby player! Jarvis rode it great, but he would have been tonnes better on a Gasser! The bike had potential, but the design was kept for 2 years and then they turned out the 'Easy' which was a better bike but looked worse!.

Yes true, but they could ride!... they'd have made a Honda C90 work too! Must be some reason that Suzukis end up with half a bath tub and a stabiliser wheel attached to one side of them!

Not riding sections in order is against the rules (Or it was in the old rules from way back)... so thats exclusion then! This was quite common by a few so called 'top riders' both in the East Mids centre and Yorkshire Centre a long time ago (20 years!). They'd ride the sections that deteriorate first, then the ones that got better later.... Strangely, they were quite surprised when they were told it was cheating! Pushing in is just the pusher inners way of saying they think the rest of us are all S**T, so we should treat them with the same respect too!

From what I've heard recently about what a Bantam is (can be/is concealed within the engine cases) .. starting with a Bantam is the wrong way to build a Bantam for trials... I think its a Fantic 200 that you need to start with!

Sorry just seen this... Dunno when Talon conversion came out, i'd have said 1986-87. The Talon idea was on paper poor (wobbly/floaty single piston caliper) but I believe they worked OK. Like Bisby I had a Shirty disc conversion. Well I had it for 1 ride!!!! It was an excellent ABS system!

Mixed scrap (contaminated)

OTF look closely... he modded the frame, put rigid MTB forks and front v-brake on and also an MTB crankset.... quite clearly he's riding out of class!

Back to this B'stard class (earlier post)... Can we draw a list of them up... we can let them ride new or old bikes too!

38mm forks! Pieces made out of unobtanium! Buy this bike and you will ride like the stars! Maybe because somebody wants to make a few quid peddling such illusions to those that are easily parted with their money! I can't fault these blokes from peddling the stuff though ... there seem to enough quarry of that type that are easily parted with the money!

You may have just answered your own question!

I think that you didn't ought to cap or limit anything. Let the nutters pay 10's of thousands for some fancy machined, polished and painted bikes that they could ride about as good as a properish pre-65 bike. Just set the sections out to suit the proper bikes.. if the 'other bikes' go clean then the riders can always go and find a modern trial to ride their 2012 model pre-65 in. Pre-65 and Twinshock is about keeping the old stuff going and enjoying it ........... isn't it? I've got to say logic says tubelss tyres are better... who wants to mess around with not as easy to get tube type tyres now? As for admiring the engineering I've not really seen any 'fantastic engineering', other than on proper modern stuff, I've seen attractivelly machined bits.... I can't really see what level of true 'engineering' has gone into them, other than being a bit oneoffish! As for professionalising classic trials... I know what you mean, but we can't even professionalise modern trials. If you have to professionalise it then you need paid officials, a real firm set of rules and full checking before an event. I'd expect most people to stay away from this type of event?

You will see the newest (2012) Greeves bikes at Pre-65 trials