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This is a fact, Trials bike frame sizes are just a compromise. There's not the market to make different sizes like push bikes.

Maybe I was lucky and it was 3 years ago. There's still plenty of cheap bikes about but the problem is they cost a fortune to sort out . If you're not going to ride trials a bodge is ok. What I'm saying is the cheapo Fantic is competitive against a £10k Vertigo at club level. On our forum there's a 2003 Sherco just come on for £450 and a Fantic kroo for offers.OK but I bet they both need loads spent on them.

Balmy 15 degrees here in Wobblerland. We don't do snow in these here parts. Out today and didn;t have to wash the bike. Spoiled!

Looking at the new Ti Vertigo unattractively priced at nearly 10 k there must be folk out there riding fairly competitively at the other end of the scale. Now and again I head out on an old Fantic Section which cost the pricely sum of £500 and is probably now standing me about £700 after 3 years of occasional use. Surely there's bigger cheapskates than me out there be interesting to know I'm not the worst. Now no I bought this Rev 3 for £50 and forget to say you spent a further grand getting it running or bikes that never get trialled.

Aye Ross these auld twinshock girds should be kept as stock as practicable, just end up like these pre 65 jokers. You know you don't need to modify them just decent tyres and try a bit harder.

Hi folks just to but in. My 300 I kick it over 3 or 4 times very slowly when cold before I press the button and give it one hell of a kick. More or less first time starter even when sitting a while.Not so good when hot as if I try with a sort of half assed kick I normally end up kicking it 3 or 4 times. To be honest I'm not sure if the battery is ok as I've never changed it and the bikes done a bit work. While I'm on I recently drained the fuel tank (Tipped the bike upside down) plenty water and rubbish came out. Maybe worth doing to help the filter and maybe save a pump ? Cheers the noo.

Gie odd. wild guess at float hight a bit high, when you really give it gas in the high gears it;s getting enough time to burn the fuel whereas in the section it;s only a quick rev and doesn't get time to really burn the fuel. As I say bit of a longshot. See you on Sunday.

Majority seem to want 300s thse day's they must be going to different trials from us.

If I wanted to do well I would stick with Gas Gas , It;s hard they;re all so boring no wonder loads go twinshock. The FI would swing it on the Vertigo for me even though I consider my Ossa a better layout,

"I aint an Arab" do you think anyone on here will know you're talking about Dundee's finest and there orange regalia? Suppose colours important as that's the only difference between them, as you know you get blue Scorpas or Shercos as most call them.

I had this lad Tom Cholmondeley (Google him) at a wee club trial in the middle of nowhere. Rumour has it his 4rt had a rifle mount on it. Sadly he's passed away and no way will I take responsibility for him twisting his hip on section 4.

Moving on and going back to where we're from. This site regularly has posters that state there location as Northern UK. Then they go to say they're from Cumbria or Newcastle or even York? Who are these people and how do they ever get to a Trial let alone finish one. Don't they own a map,

My misses always makes sure we have a decent first aid kit at all our trials funny feeling it's an AMCA requirement. Both us are trained first aiders though you wouldn't want me giving you the kiss of life you couldnt handle the nightmares. Don't imagine there's any stats but I would suggest you've more chance of being seriously injured driving to a trial than actually riding one.

I've not died yet though there's plenty in our club want to murder me for all the stick I've dished out over the years. What I've noticed is if someone get's hurt it's either between sections or playing about on stuff that they really shouldn't be near. Rarely in an an actual section probably because there concentrations better

I've never heard of then either they've never ridden at our Trials. Don't know about Twinshocks not managing big stuff some of the sections were pretty scary back in the era of these 2 I've never heard of.

Can't really help much as my mate Duncan at East Neuk Trials is my source of info. Don't kick it without the plug attached and earthed as I've heard it 's not good for them. Check all the connector pins as they do get corroded /broken, ones under the bottom of the tank too. Sorry I'm little help.

Hello again done a few trials on the old section since we last spoke. Running really good if it had been dry today it would have been out but reverted to my Scorpa. Don't know anything about welding so can't help.I'll post a photo some day it looks a bit odd with the usd forks but it's not bad for a 22 year old bike. Cheers the noo.

Personally I would never buy a 4rt as Honda is just not my bag. However if I lived in the middle of nowhere with ltd mechanical skills buying one would be a no brainer.

My 11year old (1m45) has a Beta 80 mediun wheel which is spot on size wise. Probably last about another 18 months before he's on the big side. Thing is it's big enough that I could ride it myself in a club trial without issue though it's sprung too soft. Hard to come by and quite pricy hold there money well though..

My tuppence the Ossa's got one of these new clutchy things and frankly it's feel and action is average. The biting point varies slightly as it gets hot and not particularly precise. I've ridden plenty Ossas and they the clutches all felt different and none were as good as mine. I don't know what the advantages of this new system are it just seems like another "improvement" the average rider could well do without.

Good advice thanks, the only thing I would add is keep an eye on the connectors that sit under the bottom of the tank,No sure what they do but if you don't tape up the front of the sumpguard /tank area they get in some mess.Also they rattle about a bit so worth packing them in with some bubblewrap or similar. Cheers

Age less when used regularly that's the best news I've had in ages. I'll be keeping an eye on that dog turd in the Scorpas side wall to see when it heals up.

Used to go to work on a Suzuli RL don't really fancy doing the rounds on the Ossa. Fact is things are worse now than they were 40 years ago from Mars Bars to Presidents.

We're spoiled about here local AMCA clubs run about 35/40 trials with 70 miles of my bit. Sacu probably about 20/30 trials within a similar distance. Most clubs get 50+ for a club trial and Nationals can reach 100. Most weeks there a choice of Trials or even an organised play, Today we had 50 at out local trial and the other trial on likely had nearer 100 not bad considering it's freezing. I probably ride 40 + club trials and an odd National really intermediate level these days.

Hello there. if you pick up one with higher spec paiolis there is compression/rebound adjustment as well as spring preload on the other leg. There doesn't seem to be any way of telling what forks a particular bike will be fitted with. Suspension is pretty basic and hardy ;rear shock has a basic damping adjuster. No many around and the 163 is the one to have. Ground clearance is the biggest issue with these bikes. Happy hunting.